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Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by anticorporate »

That's a bit like asking "Where are the vibecoded AWSs?" or "Where are the vibe coded Office 365s?"

Can I vibe code an image editor? Sure! I have, actually, just more as a curiosity. I got as far as a simple Canva replacement, and if that's what you need, maybe the question isn't can you vibe code Photoshop but rather can you vibe code Canva.

Photoshop is part of a gigantic ecosystem of tools, formats, and plugins that happens to have an image editor. More to the point, I've got an employee who has been using the Adobe ecosystem for decades, dating all the way back to the tools acquisition by Adobe. We have files that started as Pagemaker layouts in the 90s that are still in use. Could any given piece of new work be done in, say, GIMP? Of course! Does that get me out of my Adobe subscription for working with legacy files and having a Swiss Army knife for anything that might come along? Unfortunately, no.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by Retr0id »

darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

Frankly I do not understand what argument is being made

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by Tepix »

sinaatalay wrote: post #28

If Photoshop can be vibe coded in a couple of weeks, that's superintelligence. I think of "tokens" as units of intelligence spent on a problem. Producing software like Photoshop, Linux, or Excel literally cost billions of tokens (human intelligence back then, and now both human and artificial intelligence combined). A lot of deep intellectual problems were solved along the way, and the token cost of solving them accu…

I expect a coding model being able to clone apps like Photoshop in the next two years. But creating an app like that from scratch without a paragon (which is what Adobe did with Photoshop) is a lot harder.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by embedding-shape »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #89
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

I don't think many people subscribe to photoshop for just occasional image edits. It's very much a tool mostly used by professionals that do a lot of it

Back in the day when a license was expensive, then yes, you either were a professional who used it a lot, or like the rest of us poors, you used a cracked copy.

Nowadays though, with relatively cheap subscriptions (on a month-to-month basis at least), where the cheapest plan is like 20EUR/month or something, even if you just work part-time as some social media "take picture of food for restaurants to post on their social media after editing", you can easily afford a Photoshop subscription, as long as you have one or two gigs per month which more than covers the subscription already.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by sph »

fugaziboutit wrote: post #6

I think it was in these forums where I first read that you can gauge AI progress by the velocity at which people move the goalposts.

Funny how that works both ways.

"I am 100x productive with AI, I can ship in days what took months before" and "oh no, you don't understand, it's not really possible to vibecode Photoshop" found elsewhere in this thread.

If I were magically 100x productive, the first thing I would do would be to recreate Photoshop.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by lionkor »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

IDK, but I have three or four vibe-coded 0.1%-Photoshops already - small utility apps, all self-contained, client-side, static, zero build-step browser tools, each of them solving a very particular problem for me. Things like, drop an image, get a printable label sheet that force-overrides all margin and scaling settings (recent upgrade to a tool I had that did that with plaintext address data), or metadata-preservin…

And most importantly, you don't care at all if the tool you vibe-coded is any good. If you write at tool that converts an image to black & white, you are the kind of person who doesn't know or care what KIND of black&white it is. The fact that there are many algorithms to choose from would never cross your mind.

The same happens with whatever tool you vibe-code. You get the average of the worst quality open source versions that exist, combined with some randomness.

This is not "do one thing and do it well", this is "do one thing no matter how".

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by embedding-shape »

darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

> I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post.

That's the tricky part of blog titles, you have to assume 90% of the future commentators doesn't actually read the body nor conclusion, so if your title is the reverse of the argument you're trying to make, or something "fun" like that, you'll have 90% of the commentators misunderstanding what the basics of the article even is about.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by ponector »

imdsm wrote: post #50
peab wrote: post #43

One of the bottlenecks right now is testing. The LLMs suck at testing still, so the feedback cycle still requires human input

That's because testing is a layer above, and that requires effort from people, and people don't want to put in the effort or lack the skills to properly test with them. I think LLMs are superb at testing, but I have a lot of machinery in front of them to enable it

LLMs are superb at testing easy things. Small website, simple lib, etc.

Same way as LLMs cannot code anything complex, they cannot test complex scenarios.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by bayindirh »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #83
bayindirh wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which doesn't solve or invalidate any of the OP's points.

yes, I didn't feel like addressing the "point" that creatives are higher order beings that must be shielded from harm by everyone else. everyone else's jobs are being automated by machines and computers, outsourced to the third world, and undercut by legal and illegal immigrants. had been for decades. that was fine, this is fine also.

Creatives are not higher order beings. They are human. The thing is, we shouldn't stone creatives for being vocal, instead we should join them and try to protect our dignity and human side rather than accepting what's being forced upon us.

Being creative is a different mindset, and is very different from just sitting in front of a computer, bashing keys and doing well-defined things. In fact, high quality software engineering is a kind of creativity, too. Needs raw and real brain power, blood, sweat and tears to accomplish in a high quality manner.

This is what enshittification of everything looks like. Belittling any human being trying to build something genuine with their sincere effort. Instead, we accept the whiplash. "More code, faster!", "Minimize time to market!", "Milk the user as much as you can, we need the monies!", "Masters demand growth, demand monies!". For what? We shall receive a liveable life. Instead we accept when the demand is collectively rowing boats as slaves, lulling ourselves "at least we are alive".

Everything can be done in a better and dignified manner for all parties, but it doesn't generate money. The money you won't be able to spend, take to your next life, or afterlife for that manner.

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