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Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

toasty228 wrote: post #31
gatlin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Americans often try to use dollars in Europe?

They also try to drive to canada with their guns, and believe they can't be "foreigners" because they're american. 30% of americans are functionally illiterate, no surprise really. https://immigration.ca/americans-frequently-caught-bringing-...

Embarrassing, but the statistic cited there is 6 cases in 2017 for a single crossing point, looks like there are ~1.5M visits a year[1] so I would imagine even if we're talking hundreds of cases (generous), still not too common?

1: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/as-canadian-visits-to-t...

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by thaumasiotes »

KaiserPro wrote: post #52
traverseda wrote: post #30

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You can be protected by safe harbour provisions, or you can editorialise your content. I don't think you should have both. Free speech does not cover scams and fraud, something that happens on their platform. Society doesn't take any action against them for publishing illegal content, scams, libel, fraud, because they aren't a newspaper. They're more like a newspaper printing house. In my opinion they should probably…

> You can be protected by safe harbour provisions, or you can editorialise your content. Aha, now this is an interesting distinction. I'm not an expert in this, as you might imagine, but what counts as editorialising? To my naive eyes, having an algorithm that re-arranges posts, or injects new subjects seems like editorialising to me.

> Aha, now this is an interesting distinction.

It's nothing new; the entire point of §230 is to provide protection to platforms that editorialize their content. Without editorializing, you have immunity anyway.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by johnyzee »

spwa4 wrote: post #53
737min wrote: post #11

Context: the popular account is a promoter of Muslim Brotherhood, banned by US and many Mideast countries.

It goes quite a bit further: the Muslim Brotherhood are fascists (as in actual fascists) and (religous) racists, of the supremacist kind. They are in control of the most famous university in islamic countries: Al-Azhar. Long ago they were a supporter of Adolf Hitler, and today are known for being the parent organization of Hamas and they are supporting the genocide in Sudan (meaning they are sponsoring Arabs committi…

This is ridiculous. The only ones afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood are Middle Eastern dictatorships, who would rather not see a political movement take popular hold.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by sib »

edent wrote: post #36
gatlin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Americans often try to use dollars in Europe?

Yes. Everyone has a story about being stuck behind an irate American who can't understand why their currency isn't accepted abroad. I've seen it in the UK - when a tourist tried to leave a tip in dollars for a bemused waiter.

I've seen plenty of waiters, taxi drivers, etc., be quite happy to receive tips in USD in many countries where USD is not the official currency. In fact, I can't think of a single time when I've seen such a tip be rejected because of its currency.

That's quite different from trying to pay a bill (invoice) in USD in those countries.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by tadfisher »

mystraline wrote: post #79
Jiro wrote: post #59

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Which is true here, except "do anything you want" is "be displeasing to Kuwait". It's all "they're a private company, they can ban anyone they want" right up until they ban someone who promoters of that idea don't like. Then they're suddenly horrible people for being a private company that bans anyone they want.

> It's all "they're a private company, they can ban anyone they want" right up until they ban someone who promoters of that idea don't like. Then they're suddenly horrible people for being a private company that bans anyone they want. If they are NOT acting as an impartial aggregator and only censoring/deleting when the law demands, then they should NOT be covered under Section 230. Thats quite simple.

This is either an "ought to be* statement or it is a deliberate misreading of section 230 and case law. Representatives have proposed enacting this, many times, but platform neutrality is not a requirement under current law.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by 8note »

traverseda wrote: post #30
KaiserPro wrote: post #21

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> requires companies to provide a specific, articulable reason for suspending accounts wouldn't that violate free speech though? forcing a company to keep something up/take something down is entirely up to them no?

You can be protected by safe harbour provisions, or you can editorialise your content. I don't think you should have both. Free speech does not cover scams and fraud, something that happens on their platform. Society doesn't take any action against them for publishing illegal content, scams, libel, fraud, because they aren't a newspaper. They're more like a newspaper printing house. In my opinion they should probably…

i disagree, this just leaves the door open for whatever your preferred manipulation style is. Moderation was added with a purpose

just take away safe harbour as a whole. we dont need to subsidize the existence of Facebook and AWS and ISPs.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by 8note »

philipallstar wrote: post #85
moron4hire wrote: post #74

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Maybe platforms shouldn't be allowed to grow too large to manage themselves. Maybe, if strong self-regulation were a requirement, Meta and other companies wouldn't be market behemoths throwing their weight around in lobbying money to guarantee themselves monopolies while avoiding as much real scrutiny as possible.

Meta is enormous because it's useful. It's mostly useful now because of network effects. If it has no other use, Bluesky proves you can start a social media company in the time of Meta and have it be successful, given its slanty take on politics.

facebook of course, has the money to be responsible for its users comments and posts

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by DSingularity »

ebbi wrote: post #87
spwa4 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It goes quite a bit further: the Muslim Brotherhood are fascists (as in actual fascists) and (religous) racists, of the supremacist kind. They are in control of the most famous university in islamic countries: Al-Azhar. Long ago they were a supporter of Adolf Hitler, and today are known for being the parent organization of Hamas and they are supporting the genocide in Sudan (meaning they are sponsoring Arabs committi…

Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists? Just a yes or no will be fine.

How antisemitic. You aren’t allowed to critique them. Yes even if they rape their prisoners and defend their rapists in parliament and on TV.

Re: Meta deletes popular 1M follower account after Kuwaiti request

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Post by propagandist »

DSingularity wrote: post #98
ebbi wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are Zionists fascists, and (religious) racists? Just a yes or no will be fine.

How antisemitic. You aren’t allowed to critique them. Yes even if they rape their prisoners and defend their rapists in parliament and on TV.

"We will build an ethnostate and if you don't like that, you're a Nazi."
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