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At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Likely yea, but with them at least some idiots too stupid to drive get some degree of punishment.

I don't think punishment benefits society in any way whatsoever.

It's the balance society needs for crime. If punishment doesn't benefit society what do we have to do with criminals in your opinion?

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms." The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

Violence is only the answer if you're willing to cost a few thousands (sometimes millions) of lives.

That’s an instant debate winner if we can’t differentiate between breaking cameras and mass death.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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True, but that's not what "feel like a slave" means as an English phrase - i.e. the phrase does not mean, "feel like you're resisting like a slave", it's "feel like you're helpless like a slave". It's an insult meant to make you accept your conditions, not fight against them .

I'm the person who said it, and I explained what I meant. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm speaking from the perspective of an American worker. I feel that the relationship between capital and labor in the United States remains linked to slavery, even 150+ years after its formal abolition here.

I'm referring to the phrase Quarrelsome used ("[it's a choice] to feel like a slave"), not your original usage.

My criticism of Quarrelsome is that, in my opinion, "It's your choice to be a slave" means "resist"; while "it's your choice to feel like a slave" means "accept it". I felt you were being too charitable to them.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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How about addressing the root causes of crime (i.e. poverty) instead of suppressing the symptoms by pushing crime out of politically powerful areas into politically marginalized areas?

I'm not a fan of vandalism and luckily I'm living in a country where I have the law on my side when demanding that public space is not surveilled indiscriminately, but I totally understand the urge to simply take a stick to a camera that records my every movement.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms." The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

You could use this Boston Tea Party logic for virtually any violent action no matter how dumb or counterproductive.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#97

I've warmed to LLM-generated/assisted writing in general but this kind of stuff is just lazy and is basically "I got Claude to say something I agree with and then made it pretty".

How is this relevant to the article?

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#98

Counter point - I live in a major-ish city in which our police force isn't as strong as the surrounding suburbs so I don't mind a few extra eyes on the streets. My kids like to explore the neighborhood and I like a little extra peace of mind.

you should get some body cams for your kids, you will get a more pertinent view.

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How about addressing the root causes of crime (i.e. poverty) instead of suppressing the symptoms by pushing crime out of politically powerful areas into politically marginalized areas? I'm not a fan of vandalism and luckily I'm living in a country where I have the law on my side when demanding that public space is not surveilled indiscriminately, but I totally understand the urge to simply take a stick to a camera th…

Poverty is not the root cause of crime

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#100

This website and article promote the destruction of property. If you disagree with something, you can engage civily, encourage people to vote with you, run for elections. Violence is not the answer.

Destroying a camera isn't violence. It's destruction of property, sure. But property isn't inherently good and sometimes it degrades society.

If some goober installs massive floodlights that blast into windows of some houses, I think everyone would support a kid with a slingshot busting a few bulbs. If some guy is blasting music from a speaker at 3 AM every single day, I don't think anyone will complain about a cable being cut. If cameras are installed that sell data to companies like Palantir, companies that say they want to kill you and they're going to kill you and it's just a matter of time until they kill you, destroying those cameras is the non-violent option.

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