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I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by subw00f »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #60
tomaskafka wrote: post #51

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You described https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

the newly elected president criticized foundational research saying it doesn't "turn into jobs" and instead "ends up in an expensive book abandoned in a library". That isn't the Dutch Disease, it's anti-intellectualism. It is where Pol Pots come from eventually, and it never leads anywhere good.

Or, you know, the Chilean US puppet Augusto Pinochet who killed, jailed, or exiled professors, intellectuals, students etc.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by subw00f »

igleria wrote: post #46
jerojero wrote: post #41

I was arguing with a Chilean friend who moved a few years ago to the USA. He was telling me how Chile doesn't do good science. I challenged his claim saying Chile actually had great scientists that were severely underfunded (Chile's investment in science and research is ~0.4% of the GDP versus the OECD average of ~2.7%). I think it's sort of a big consensus with people that have never been involved in science work, i…

> Recently the newly elected president criticized foundational research saying it doesn't "turn into jobs" and instead "ends up in an expensive book abandoned in a library" Guess what the other far right president of the region says (Argentina's). Makes me sad.

It's the same for the whole region, friend. Shut up and keep mining, harvesting, or raising these cows for the gringos, ain't no need to get clever about it.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by throwaway5752 »

subw00f wrote: post #91
throwaway5752 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the newly elected president criticized foundational research saying it doesn't "turn into jobs" and instead "ends up in an expensive book abandoned in a library". That isn't the Dutch Disease, it's anti-intellectualism. It is where Pol Pots come from eventually, and it never leads anywhere good.

Or, you know, the Chilean US puppet Augusto Pinochet who killed, jailed, or exiled professors, intellectuals, students etc.

Pinochet was a garden variety kleptocrat and villain, not an ideologue. Where Milei falls remains to be determined.

edit: also no reason to make this thread deeper, but you seem to be missing the idea that I am insulting Pinochet. He didn't do it for any reason other than power and money. That is worse. For whatever reason, you appear to think I have views I do not, and are assuming the worst of my replies. I will not reply further.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by Havoc »

IAmBroom wrote: post #55
riskable wrote: post #42

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The quest: Recover data stored in the quantum crystal matrix by building a tachyon pulse emitter.

Simple. Just reverse the polarity. That solves every problem that a warp bubble can't.

>Simple. Just reverse the polarity.

ngl I enjoyed the "Unipolar magnets" in Dyson Sphere Program (excellent game btw if you're into factorio style mechanics).

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by throwaway5752 »

subw00f wrote: post #92
igleria wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Recently the newly elected president criticized foundational research saying it doesn't "turn into jobs" and instead "ends up in an expensive book abandoned in a library" Guess what the other far right president of the region says (Argentina's). Makes me sad.

It's the same for the whole region, friend. Shut up and keep mining, harvesting, or raising these cows for the gringos, ain't no need to get clever about it.

Unless the PRC is a gringo now, you should not limit your concern to the US. The easiest propaganda technique - and trivially easy to accomplish with basic agents and existing social platforms - is divide and conquer.

Get people fighting about who is exploiting them, and they cannot unite against anyone exploiting them.

edit: no need to make the thread deeper. I agree with your reply, too. Two things can be correct at once, and usually are.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by subw00f »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #96
subw00f wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same for the whole region, friend. Shut up and keep mining, harvesting, or raising these cows for the gringos, ain't no need to get clever about it.

Unless the PRC is a gringo now, you should not limit your concern to the US. The easiest propaganda technique - and trivially easy to accomplish with basic agents and existing social platforms - is divide and conquer. Get people fighting about who is exploiting them, and they cannot unite against anyone exploiting them. edit: no need to make the thread deeper. I agree with your reply, too. Two things can be correct a…

I'm well aware of the share of commodity exports that goes to China. I'm also well aware of the history of US intervention and its brutality in South America and what it did to keep the region its backyard. Now, if the PRC wants to do the same, they need to seriously step up their game, because it was a LOT.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by Terr_ »

jerojero wrote: post #41

I was arguing with a Chilean friend who moved a few years ago to the USA. He was telling me how Chile doesn't do good science. I challenged his claim saying Chile actually had great scientists that were severely underfunded (Chile's investment in science and research is ~0.4% of the GDP versus the OECD average of ~2.7%). I think it's sort of a big consensus with people that have never been involved in science work, i…

I think some of it ties into incrementalism versus "great man" theory. I believe we dramatically underestimate how much of any new thing is (A) not actually as new as it looks and (B) absolutely required a thousand smaller things like precision screws or pure materials.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by cogman10 »

compass_copium wrote: post #86
cogman10 wrote: post #45

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That's actually a bit wild that Chile isn't refining or smelting copper. Is it because there's not the energy capacity to run smelters? I thought Chili had a pretty abundant energy grid (mostly hydro as I recall).

These systems aren't in place by accident. The US doesn't typically purchase roasted coffee beans or chocolate bars from South America either.

Roasted coffee loses flavor after roasting.

Chocolate requires various ingredients to make that changes the characteristics of the chocolate. It also, famously, doesn't ship well.

Copper ingots, however, weigh less than copper ore and if they are actually too low quality they can be resmelted into a more pure level.

The only reason I can think of why you might actually want the ore is you also want and are extracting other secondary minerals.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by subw00f »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #93
subw00f wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, you know, the Chilean US puppet Augusto Pinochet who killed, jailed, or exiled professors, intellectuals, students etc.

Pinochet was a garden variety kleptocrat and villain, not an ideologue. Where Milei falls remains to be determined. edit: also no reason to make this thread deeper, but you seem to be missing the idea that I am insulting Pinochet. He didn't do it for any reason other than power and money. That is worse. For whatever reason, you appear to think I have views I do not, and are assuming the worst of my replies. I will no…

Funny, and here I was thinking that neoliberal authoritarianism, Cold War anti-communism, and neofascism were all ideologies. But I guess it's only ideology if the bad guy was propped up by the USSR or the PRC?
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