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Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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For us US folks, Amazon.jp will send you the unobtanium Makita tools you know you want.... like the Makita battery-operated microwave. Shout out to TTI for keeping Ryobi cheap, cheerful, and a good value. Not my cup of tea, but their stuff is reasonably fine for the price.

Do they have the Makita coffee maker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xOEIpbxM4w

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he means "eyeware is next" in the sense that it's the industry he'll be covering next. Pretty much every brand and every layer of the eyewear industry has been owned by Luxxotica for a long time.

It seems like not my preferred Serengeti or my recent work gift of Maui Jim.

To save folks the search, these both sell ~$300 sunglasses.

They show action shots of people wearing them kayaking or at the beach but I'd be so worried about dropping them in the river or scratching the lenses with sand that I'd never take them those places. $300 is more than I paid for my kayak, LOL. Probably more expensive than entire sets of clothes I might wear while doing those activities, or at least right around the same price.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

#94
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are my options if I'm one of the unwashed massed that aren't able to afford anything but Ryobi/Spirit (RIP)? What if I'm a professional who needs to use Milwuake/American Airlines if I plan to get my work done? These feel like choices in the same way you can choose to pay your extortion fee to the mob or choose to pay your taxes.

Who's breaking down your door with muscle to make you pay for Ryobi?

The Home Despot

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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I don't think there's anything to apologize for. Buying a professional tool with tens of thousands of hours of potential runtime and 1000lb+ of torque is wasteful. A Ryobi tool will realistically last for the many decades you need it for and do everything you ask of it. Lower price points doesn't just mean something is junk. It can also be engineering efficiency.

As the saying goes, anyone can build a bridge that lasts forever. It takes an engineer to build one that lasts fifty years.

Excellent, I love it!

It remind me of the quote from Blaise Pascale:

"I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time."

— source: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2014/02/03/270680304/this-...

The idea that you need expertise and experience to produce something efficient and refined that fit perfectly the need that it fulfills.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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post #78

How is this post two hours old and I don't see any references to Project Farm: https://www.youtube.com/c/projectfarm One of the best review channels for products in this area. I moved from DeWalt to Milwaukee for most of my daily drivers about six years ago and have been very happy with them, but for things I will rarely use I tend to go with whatever Harbor Freight is selling. If I break it then it's time to upgrade…

https://www.youtube.com/@TorqueTestChannel is another great channel for more tool-specific reviews

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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What’s a good one to start with

Honestly, Ryobi is fine for just about anything a non-professional will need. Buy it, use it until it breaks (if it does), and then consider whether a more expensive one will be necessary. I started with Ryobi and burned out a drill using it to hog out a 3" mortise with a 2.5" forstner bit (far beyond any reasonable use case for a drill), and upgraded to DeWalt. All of my other Ryobi pieces (circular saw, reciprocati…

You can get adapters to use great batteries in low quality tools.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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What’s a good one to start with

If you can afford to pay that bit more for quality product, from the article plus a few comments here; seems that people really like Makita. - hasn’t enshitifed - makes quality tools that last - much more repairable (saving you even more in the long term) - single company, not a conglomerate, no weird vc influence. For most tools you won’t need upgrades, just build out your collection as you go.

Interestingly, Makita, like Festool, and to a lesser extent Mafell got its start by _repairing_ stuff, only expanding into tool manufacture long after the company was established --- some folks argue that this experience of repairing other tools/motors/transformers allowed them to learn how _not_ to build a tool. These three are pretty much the only independent power tool companies left, and the tools I've bought of them have been excellent quality.

- Makita 9.6V drill which I've had 4 of (first I stupidly sold in an estate sale, second my son claimed, third I gifted to my daughter, current is an NOS from eBay which I'm planning on keeping/using for forever) --- my son later bought into the newer Makita 18V line and uses them extensively for his backstage theater work, as well as a stick vacuum w/ a cyclone which he uses to clean his apartment. (Finally broke down and bought some Dremel battery powered tools (apparently they use the same 12V batteries as Bosch tools) --- debating on expanding on that....)

- Festool CT Midi vacuum --- purchased in a noise-induced migraine-fueled rage, this is quiet and works perfectly as dust collection for my CNC machines

- Mafell FM 1000 WS --- a quick change spindle/milling motor, the engineering on this brings a smile to my face whenever I use it

Buy once, cry once --- the quality will remain long after the sting of the initial high price is forgotten.

For hand tools, consider Bridge City Tool Works and Blue Spruce Tools, or Mitutoyo, or Starrett, or buying vintage.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

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> Ryobi handles DIY at Home Depot. Milwaukee handles pros. The two brands don't eat each other. They serve different people at different price points with different expectations So market fit is driving both worse and better products at the same time. Cheap DIYers like me are buying the cheapest stuff we can find, and complaining that it's as cheap as its price. My neighbor the contractor buys the expensive stuff and…

I don't think there's anything to apologize for. Buying a professional tool with tens of thousands of hours of potential runtime and 1000lb+ of torque is wasteful. A Ryobi tool will realistically last for the many decades you need it for and do everything you ask of it. Lower price points doesn't just mean something is junk. It can also be engineering efficiency.

Are new ryobi batteries still compatible with all their old tools? I remember it used to be a big selling point that that they never changed their battery system.

Re: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose. Who Owns DeWalt, Craftsman, and Milwaukee?

#100
post #29

Snap-on stays winning

Snap-on is one of the worst value buys out there. Even for professional mechanics.

The only Snap-on tools I have, I picked up off the side of the road, except for a ratchet which my father somehow brought home from Vietnam --- his comment on the brand?

>It's pretty easy to get the about the same quality, but it's hard to pay more.

Just figure out their OEM and buy a Williams brand screwdriver for example.

That said, for a professional mechanic, there's a lot of value in buying a tool which one can get warrantied the next time the tool truck makes its rounds.

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