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Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by cogogo »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #63
hnlmorg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately we aren’t getting a handle on it because those friendly tobacco companies instead just pushed people to vaping instead.

on the contrary, I strongly believe that tobacco companies are the driving force behind the attempts to equate vaping and smoking. idk about the current year, but tobacco companies had little to no influence over the vaping market during its early years. the hardware was 5% American from small companies and 95% Chinese, the nicotine fluid had local producers everywhere because of how cheap and easy it is to make. alm…

I think the argument is that vaping is far more addictive for young people because of exactly what you say. Does not feel harmful and they end up very addicted at higher doses of nicotine than cigarettes

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by cogogo »

hliyan wrote: post #7
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #6

When I was a kid, back eons ago, smoking was everywhere . People who didn't smoke had ashtrays for guests. Telling people to not smoke was simply not a thing. When I was about 16, some family friends put a small sign on their front door requesting people not smoke inside their house. I was shocked. I liked the idea, but I'd never seen that before, never even considered it. I recall wondering how many people would be…

I remember this. Ashtrays were practically part of the furniture (especially coffee tables), even if you didn't have a smoker at home.

Ha my first ceramic project in elementary school art class was an ashtray. Smoking was everywhere.

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by cogogo »

redwall_hp wrote: post #49
hliyan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember this. Ashtrays were practically part of the furniture (especially coffee tables), even if you didn't have a smoker at home.

I vaguely remember living room chairs with built in ash trays (like how some have cup holders now). And in the late 90s, being on a plane and the chairs had a metal folding door on the armrest that exposed an ash tray. Smoking on planes was already gone or going away, but the hardware lingered for quite some time.

Think these bins persisted on some aircraft until fairly recently. Maybe 10 yrs ago?

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by margalabargala »

paulpauper wrote: post #65
margalabargala wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would expect it to be the other way around. If nearly everyone smoked, then even nonsmokers were constantly getting a fair amount of secondhand smoke. This would raise the background rate of cancer, making it appear that smoking raises your risk by less than it actually does.

this agrees with my point because non-smoker are being counted in cancer risk. we're only interested in people who choose to smoke. public smoking bans make secondhand smoke less risky/relevant as a factor. we're only interested in the risk , independent of secondhand smoke, of someone choosing to smoke getting cancer.

> we're only interested in the risk , independent of secondhand smoke, of someone choosing to smoke getting cancer.

No, that's where you're wrong.

You are only interested in that independent risk.

I, and many others, are interested in how much smoking changes that risk.

Picking random numbers, let's say smoking gives you a 10% chance of lung cancer. It's fine for you to only care about that 10% number, you get to care about what you want to.

But for the rest of us, when making informed decisions based on risk, it matters whether smoking changes it from 9.9% to 10%, or 0.1% to 10%.

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by TacticalCoder »

canpan wrote: post #89
gwbas1c wrote: post #42

One interesting lesson from airships is about disruption and how people take old assumptions into new paradigms. Today we're used to being on plans for short periods of time. We get on, sit down, wait, and then arrive at our destination. Airships came about when long distance travel meant you were spending multiple days in a vehicle, either a train or boat. An airship was a place that was set up for you to spend a fe…

These places still exist, but you need to look for them. Here in Japan, some remote islands, you can travel overnight boat. I love those. There might be a speed boat or plane, but I love boarding the boat in the evening, everyone feels like having a party, sleeping in a bed and arriving fresh in the morning. (If you are in Tokyo, the nearest is Oshima Island). There is also slow rail travel, with pretty trains, sleep…

> I think Europe has sleeper trains too.

Europe has sleeping boats too: you can go from, say, south east of France to the Baelaric island (like Ibiza) in 12 hours overnight.

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by TacticalCoder »

Waterluvian wrote: post #5

It’s really amazing just what extent people went to in order to smoke. Apparently people smoked on submarines for a while. And planes. And everywhere else. Smoking is just such a disease and it feels like only now are we kind of getting a handle on it.

> It’s really amazing just what extent people went to in order to smoke.

My parents' generation, the boomers, weren't really aware that smoking was bad. Even if some knew, I feel like it was mostly hidden from them. Look at any movie they'd watch in the west when they were young, people would be smoking everywhere: inside offices, inside cars, public servants at the town hall, etc. Smokers everywhere.

Once the studies eventually came out showing how bad it was, addicted people kept smoking but there's been way less new smokers.

Now I see my kid's gen (so the grand-kids of the boomers): hardly anyone is smoking. It's not a thing among that generation.

As to the gen Xer who used to smoke: most of friends in that segment are now vaping.

Addicts are typically going to be addicts: be it alcohol or tobacco. We're getting a handle on it for the boomers are now dying left and right and it's been a long time smoking ain't being portrayed as being cool anymore.

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

canpan wrote: post #89
gwbas1c wrote: post #42

One interesting lesson from airships is about disruption and how people take old assumptions into new paradigms. Today we're used to being on plans for short periods of time. We get on, sit down, wait, and then arrive at our destination. Airships came about when long distance travel meant you were spending multiple days in a vehicle, either a train or boat. An airship was a place that was set up for you to spend a fe…

These places still exist, but you need to look for them. Here in Japan, some remote islands, you can travel overnight boat. I love those. There might be a speed boat or plane, but I love boarding the boat in the evening, everyone feels like having a party, sleeping in a bed and arriving fresh in the morning. (If you are in Tokyo, the nearest is Oshima Island). There is also slow rail travel, with pretty trains, sleep…

You’d love Canada and the US. Nothing but slow travel on trains.

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by [deleted] »

Waterluvian wrote: post #5

It’s really amazing just what extent people went to in order to smoke. Apparently people smoked on submarines for a while. And planes. And everywhere else. Smoking is just such a disease and it feels like only now are we kind of getting a handle on it.

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Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by CaptainBanger »

doginasuit wrote: post #72

This story reminds me of the game Oxygen Not Included. > The smoking room was kept at a higher pressure than the rest of the ship so that no leaking hydrogen could enter the room I haven't yet played any other game where air pressure in a room relative to the rooms surrounding it could mean the difference between life and death. Without really meaning to I gained an intuitive understanding of physics by just trying n…

You might enjoy Hardspace: Shipbreaker.

I assure you pressure differentials will be life or death!

Re: Hindenburg’s Smoking Room

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Post by JuniperMesos »

hnlmorg wrote: post #88
JuniperMesos wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this is actually bad. Nicotine, when divorced from the tar of burning cigarettes, has a number of desirable affects on alertness and appetite (as well as less desirable effects like increasing blood pressure) - it's not clear to me that avoiding nicotine as a stimulant is always desirable. As well, vaping is so much less obnoxious to the people around you than traditional smoking (either tobacco or marij…

I honestly still find vaping obnoxious and I’m clearly not alone here because most places that ban smoking also ban vaping too. And weird for someone to talk about vaping like it’s a good thing when we already know there are adverse health implications from vaping. What we don’t know is just how serious that is. But why take the risk in the first place?

What adverse health implications from vaping are there?
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