According to the terms it looks like you can cancel your deposit and get a full refund anytime, even after you’re offered to buy the phone.
590k buyers paid $59M for Trump's gold phone, but not one has shipped
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the cause exactly? Make America a white evangelical "paradise"?
It's an appeal to restore the country to some form of nostalgic view of it. https://www.npr.org/2016/06/07/481137357/the-fractured-repub... The fact that Americans are politically divided is self-evident from recent elections. But just how we are divided and why it's proved so hard to get past our differences are questions that admit to many answers. And here's an interesting one from the conservative political theor…
From what I can see, as a boomer myself, is that we were best at voting ourselves more and more benefits, lower and lower taxes, and mortgaging all the value out of everything that had been built up over the previous generations. And the generations to follow are being left an empty purse.
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#93Recent and related comment: "I can’t prove it, but it feels like the world recently decided that spamming/scamming is acceptable..." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48094961
It seems to me that it feels that the world, or at least the US, decided that far far worse things are acceptable too. Not easy to be a parent and explain to kids that no, this is not how the world should be run. How do we expect them to have any confidence in the institutions and the rule of law ?
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Notably, Biden would have gotten the 25th treatment instantly, with not a hint of loyalty from Democratic voters. Trump has a level of loyalty from Republican voters that is unprecedented in modern US history. Why is that?
> Why is that?
Precisely why he left the Democratic party, because their voters are not gullible and religious fanatics.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems to me that it feels that the world, or at least the US, decided that far far worse things are acceptable too. Not easy to be a parent and explain to kids that no, this is not how the world should be run. How do we expect them to have any confidence in the institutions and the rule of law ?
> How do we expect them to have any confidence in the institutions and the rule of law ? They shouldn't. The reality is that the rich and powerful have never been particularly beholden to the law. For a while, there was a lot of energy spent maintaining the illusion that we had rule of law, and I don't doubt there are some who believed it was an ideal to strive for that we'd get closer and closer to over time, but Tr…
I taught my kids the rule of law and what's right and wrong or desirable are totally separate concepts. The law itself only tells you what's proscribed and potential penalties, all of which have to be analyzed in the light of how or who will actually bother to enforce it and the incentives of the various parties enforcing it.
Unfortunately the police come to public schools and try to do their brainwashing very early before you have the opportunity to even address it. So unless you address this issue at a very young age they likely won't question it again until near college age.
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> Now it seems the grifting-meta is to make promises around a product with no plans on delivering it, take in pre-order money, and then just park it in an investment account to grow during a bull market. By the time the grift comes due, your "investment" will have grown to a magnitude where even if you are forced to pay it back, you will have made a tidy profit. There's never been a time where that would work. A dama…
> it's always been black-letter law that if I misappropriate $1,000 from you, put it on red 27, and turn it into $36,000, I owe you all $36,000. Only if you "stole", and only if you get caught. If you asked $1,000 for an "investment" with the intention of putting it on red 27, then win, you can repay your investors and they'd be none the wiser.
>> I owe you all $36,000
> Only if you "stole", and only if you get caught
Are you sure? I'd have guessed that the debt is created when they generate the $36 000. Getting caught would just make it easier for the victim to collect.
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#97Recent and related comment: "I can’t prove it, but it feels like the world recently decided that spamming/scamming is acceptable..." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48094961
100% a demonstration that who we elect as a leader absolutely does set the tone for the rest of the country. I have lived through two elections of Donald Trump and both times the shift in what kinds of behavior were socially acceptable was palpable within hours. Like a lot of people suddenly decided they could come out and be their true self, it just turned out that it was gleefully ugly and hateful.
This is better though, no (as ugly as it is)? At least we now know what this Country actually is and who are its citizens… vs. leaving in some “we are better than this…” fantasy
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#98Chief shyster strikes again
Re: 590k buyers paid $59M for Trump's gold phone, but not one has shipped
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How do we expect them to have any confidence in the institutions and the rule of law ? They shouldn't. The reality is that the rich and powerful have never been particularly beholden to the law. For a while, there was a lot of energy spent maintaining the illusion that we had rule of law, and I don't doubt there are some who believed it was an ideal to strive for that we'd get closer and closer to over time, but Tr…
I taught my kids the rule of law and what's right and wrong or desirable are totally separate concepts. The law itself only tells you what's proscribed and potential penalties, all of which have to be analyzed in the light of how or who will actually bother to enforce it and the incentives of the various parties enforcing it. Unfortunately the police come to public schools and try to do their brainwashing very early…
> I taught my kids the rule of law and what's right and wrong or desirable are totally separate concepts.
You should be careful to distinguish "rule of law" from the law itself.
Rule of law is merely the principle that laws should be applied equally to all. It shouldn't matter if you're rich or poor, man or woman, a member of the majority or minority race, famous or obscure, politically well-connected or not, etc. This is an inherently just principle, but it's also extremely difficult (impossible?) to live up to 100%.
On the other hand, you're correct that individual laws can be just or unjust, moral or immoral. We have plenty of historical examples of unjust laws (e.g., a recent and hopefully unquestionable example in living memory is segregation), and it's our duty to oppose them through voting, contacting representatives, protests, and perhaps even civil disobedience.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I taught my kids the rule of law and what's right and wrong or desirable are totally separate concepts. The law itself only tells you what's proscribed and potential penalties, all of which have to be analyzed in the light of how or who will actually bother to enforce it and the incentives of the various parties enforcing it. Unfortunately the police come to public schools and try to do their brainwashing very early…
> I taught my kids the rule of law and what's right and wrong or desirable are totally separate concepts. You should be careful to distinguish "rule of law" from the law itself. Rule of law is merely the principle that laws should be applied equally to all. It shouldn't matter if you're rich or poor, man or woman, a member of the majority or minority race, famous or obscure, politically well-connected or not, etc. Th…
> Rule of law is merely the principle that laws should be applied equally to all.
Which sounds good at first, but...
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread." ― Anatole France