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Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by Smoosh »

medvidek wrote: post #61
KevinMS wrote: post #6

I can understand the motivation. I've had the same number since the 90's and never once got a spam call until I was in the hospital last year and since then I've been getting 2-3 a day every day. They've probably left at least a thousand voice mails for a great loan opportunity, all from different numbers and different loan amounts.

Personal anecdata: I get much more spam calls on a number from a country with mandatory ID sim card registration than on a number from a country where anonymous sim cards are allowed. Both numbers are almost 20 years old and I barely use them for anything but calls/sms to friends/relatives and receiving bank 2FA SMSes.

Personal anecdote from my wife yesterday. She doesn’t get many spam calls but has noticed that when a particular friend calls her, she gets a spam call later that day. I surmised that the friend has some spyware on their phone which is reporting “active” numbers.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by Smoosh »

smcleod wrote: post #22

This is the way it works in Australia. I wasn't a huge fan of having to prove who I am and have my identity related to be able to txt and make phone calls or use mobile internet when I moved here.

And yet we still have a huge problem with spam calls and “nothing can be done about it”.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by rationalist »

rolph wrote: post #89
KevinMS wrote: post #6

I can understand the motivation. I've had the same number since the 90's and never once got a spam call until I was in the hospital last year and since then I've been getting 2-3 a day every day. They've probably left at least a thousand voice mails for a great loan opportunity, all from different numbers and different loan amounts.

"phone number?" "i dont have a phone" "emergency contact?" "911, no one else is better suited to respond to an emergency?"

Medical establishments are notorious for asking for lots of information they do not need.

For example, every hospital and office I've been to asks for my Social Security Number, yet none have said anything when I leave it blank.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by rationalist »

iamnothere wrote: post #78
vednig wrote: post #29

every thing happening right now in privacy space including OS level ID verification, then websites requiring ID and now this is strangely alarming right to privacy and speech will soon be very limited in aspects only relating and possible offline and very soon there will be nothing one can do about that

It’s not strangely alarming, it is obviously alarming and for good reason. Take this seriously and get prepared. It’s not a drill, and it’s not something that the next administration is going to roll back, whoever ends up winning. You can’t vote your way out of this. In the future, privacy and tech sovereignty will be a strictly offline affair.

What do you suggeat for preperations?

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by iamnothere »

rationalist wrote: post #94
iamnothere wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not strangely alarming, it is obviously alarming and for good reason. Take this seriously and get prepared. It’s not a drill, and it’s not something that the next administration is going to roll back, whoever ends up winning. You can’t vote your way out of this. In the future, privacy and tech sovereignty will be a strictly offline affair.

What do you suggeat for preperations?

Stock up on old computers, maybe small cheap SFF/NUC models. You will want replacements on hand as well as some to hand out to trusted friends. Don’t forget to get spare drives, used is fine considering the price right now.

Download and archive (on durable media) ISO, source code, and documentation of simple, durable operating systems that can be easily maintained and modified. I would suggest OpenBSD and a few Linux distributions. If you’re not a skilled programmer I would suggest learning the basics. Make sure you get any software packages you’ll need as well.

Mirror the source code of applications like mail servers/clients, UUCP, NNCP, Nostr servers/clients, and any other tools you find that would be useful for storing and later transmitting or copying data opportunistically. Think back to the early days of the internet; the dialup/BBS model is very apt. You want to be able to do work offline, then either connect and exchange info briefly or pass data offline via sneakernet.

Get some bulk micro SD cards. Get into packet radio.

Make friends and start building a network. Offline.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by ranger_danger »

SoftTalker wrote: post #35
panny wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>until I was in the hospital last year So much for HIPAA huh?

Phone numbers aren't protected health information.

> Phone numbers aren't protected health information.

Yes they are:

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-45/part-164/section-164.5...

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by trollbridge »

simoncion wrote: post #50
tomrod wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whether we like it or not, ID is required to function in society these days. Why?

Yeah. This USian has reliable access to the following without presenting ID * Telephone service * Internet service * A rental apartment to live in and relevant utilities * Food * Clothing * Entertainment * Medical care * A bank account It has been so long that I can no longer clearly remember, but I think that I didn't have to present ID to get my job and get paid. Maybe things are way worse over in Euroland? Or mayb…

You can't open a bank account without KYC.

Also requires showing adequate ID to have a job for the I-9.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by trollbridge »

simoncion wrote: post #90
jen20 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you rent an apartment without ID? Every time I’ve done that they wanted an SSN, a credit check, and the pledge that your first born would be named after whatever dipshit was in the office that day. You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either: KYC is a thing. Finally, you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID.

> You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either. And yet, I have multiple accounts. Go figure. > How did you rent an apartment without ID? I dunno. The paperwork was done like a bit more than fifteen years ago. But I've only been asked for my ID for apartment-related things once and that was to tour a place in a shitty, shitty apartment complex more than... twenty years ago. > ...you must complete an…

The I-9 requires more than that. If all you show is your SSN you have to produce another document like a driver licence.

That doesn't mean your past employers were in full compliance, nor that they will ever get caught.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by jen20 »

simoncion wrote: post #90
jen20 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you rent an apartment without ID? Every time I’ve done that they wanted an SSN, a credit check, and the pledge that your first born would be named after whatever dipshit was in the office that day. You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either: KYC is a thing. Finally, you must complete an I9 form for any new job, which requires (wait for it) an ID.

> You absolutely cannot get a bank account without an ID either. And yet, I have multiple accounts. Go figure. > How did you rent an apartment without ID? I dunno. The paperwork was done like a bit more than fifteen years ago. But I've only been asked for my ID for apartment-related things once and that was to tour a place in a shitty, shitty apartment complex more than... twenty years ago. > ...you must complete an…

If all of your experience of these things dates back ten to twenty years, I’d encourage you to look at the actual current requirements now, which are what matters to people trying to do things now.

Re: The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Post by pseudalopex »

mattmaroon wrote: post #45
2ndorderthought wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know through indirect means. So they buy all the cellphone data specifically the gps location data in the us and funnel it through huge servers. So they can determine patterns, addresses, etc. This makes that easier and doesn't risk any of the legality if their should be illegal data sources or other likely illegal activities. Tldr: This is a way to defeat vpns.

Yeah I strongly suspect this will allow them to use it in court considerably more frequently. But still, I know they know who I am. Anyone with a cell phone in their pocket has no privacy. It’s the best tracking device ever. Anyone who thinks anything at all can make that problem worse simply doesn’t understand that they have none. I’d rather have zero privacy and zero spam calls than zero privacy and lots of spam ca…

Most spam calls start outside your country or are legal.
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