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OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by cameldrv »

koolba wrote: post #2

From the article, emphasis mine: > Additionally, Brockman’s journal showed him grappling with whether voting against Musk’s plan or for Musk’s ejection from the board would be morally wrong. > “Can’t see us turning this into a for-profit without a very nasty fight,” Brockman wrote in another entry. “ It’d be wrong to steal the non-profit from him. That’d be pretty morally bankrupt. ” This is pretty damning for OpenAI…

From what I heard at the time, Elon was running OpenAI as, to some degree an element of the Elon keritsu. Neurallink was upstairs from OpenAI, and OpenAI badges would open doors at Tesla and vice-versa. Elon will also move people from one of his companies to another if the need arises. I think some of the OpenAI execs were very upset when he moved Karpathy from OpenAI to Tesla to take over Autopilot.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by pen1slicker »

lesuorac wrote: post #9
THansenite wrote: post #4

I honestly don't know how I feel about this. I keep a journal where I can get thoughts out of my head so I can move on. Like the article, its nothing I'd really be ashamed of, but I see it as a kind of personal therapy where I can dump my thoughts. I write with the assumption they are my private thoughts and even I don't have any plans on going back and rereading. I know I'm not a CEO, but even I wouldn't want my pri…

Yeah, the Framers of the constitution felt the same as you and the 5th amendment used to apply to your belongings as well so a diary you wrote couldn't be used against you.

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Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

"Ultimately, the OpenAI president had to read some of the most embarrassing entries aloud in front of a jury and a packed courthouse, as well as over a YouTube livestream that peaked at around 1,200 viewers."

Live audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ZoBSAqmq4

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by THansenite »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #93

"Ultimately, the OpenAI president had to read some of the most embarrassing entries aloud in front of a jury and a packed courthouse, as well as over a YouTube livestream that peaked at around 1,200 viewers." Live audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ZoBSAqmq4

I'm imagining a Dungeon Crawler Carl style view-meter that shows more people tuning in as he gets to some juicier parts of his journal. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-osss BATTLE!!!!

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by beAbU »

koolba wrote: post #2

From the article, emphasis mine: > Additionally, Brockman’s journal showed him grappling with whether voting against Musk’s plan or for Musk’s ejection from the board would be morally wrong. > “Can’t see us turning this into a for-profit without a very nasty fight,” Brockman wrote in another entry. “ It’d be wrong to steal the non-profit from him. That’d be pretty morally bankrupt. ” This is pretty damning for OpenAI…

Ofcourse you can steal a charity! So long as it's not _his_ charity.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by tim333 »

koolba wrote: post #2

From the article, emphasis mine: > Additionally, Brockman’s journal showed him grappling with whether voting against Musk’s plan or for Musk’s ejection from the board would be morally wrong. > “Can’t see us turning this into a for-profit without a very nasty fight,” Brockman wrote in another entry. “ It’d be wrong to steal the non-profit from him. That’d be pretty morally bankrupt. ” This is pretty damning for OpenAI…

Though as far as I can tell the charity which Musk put about $30m into still exists and holds 26% of OpenAI's commercial arm valued at ~200bn. So rather than being stolen it's still there and with 7000x as much assets? Not sure how that plays out legally? It looks hard for Musk to win to me. IANAL.

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Post by [deleted] »

THansenite wrote: post #4

I honestly don't know how I feel about this. I keep a journal where I can get thoughts out of my head so I can move on. Like the article, its nothing I'd really be ashamed of, but I see it as a kind of personal therapy where I can dump my thoughts. I write with the assumption they are my private thoughts and even I don't have any plans on going back and rereading. I know I'm not a CEO, but even I wouldn't want my pri…

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Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by captn3m0 »

tim333 wrote: post #96
koolba wrote: post #2

From the article, emphasis mine: > Additionally, Brockman’s journal showed him grappling with whether voting against Musk’s plan or for Musk’s ejection from the board would be morally wrong. > “Can’t see us turning this into a for-profit without a very nasty fight,” Brockman wrote in another entry. “ It’d be wrong to steal the non-profit from him. That’d be pretty morally bankrupt. ” This is pretty damning for OpenAI…

Though as far as I can tell the charity which Musk put about $30m into still exists and holds 26% of OpenAI's commercial arm valued at ~200bn. So rather than being stolen it's still there and with 7000x as much assets? Not sure how that plays out legally? It looks hard for Musk to win to me. IANAL.

IANAL, but as an analogy perhaps: Some of the investments made from FTX stolen assets got amazing gains (Anthropic being a notable investment). But it doesn’t undo the crime.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by tim333 »

captn3m0 wrote: post #98
tim333 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though as far as I can tell the charity which Musk put about $30m into still exists and holds 26% of OpenAI's commercial arm valued at ~200bn. So rather than being stolen it's still there and with 7000x as much assets? Not sure how that plays out legally? It looks hard for Musk to win to me. IANAL.

IANAL, but as an analogy perhaps: Some of the investments made from FTX stolen assets got amazing gains (Anthropic being a notable investment). But it doesn’t undo the crime.

In FTX's case there obviously was a crime - stealing customer money. With OpenAI I don't really see it, hence I guess the lack of a criminal case. The 'stealing a charity' bit is more metaphorical - it wasn't actually stolen, just the control kind of moving from friends of Musk to friends of Altman which was inevitable when Musk quit.

I think Musk is alleging unjust enrichment of Altman and Brockman but given they only have a small percentage in the for profit they set up it's going to be hard to prove that's unjust in court I guess.

You could argue OpenAI had drifted from its mission to be open.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #93

"Ultimately, the OpenAI president had to read some of the most embarrassing entries aloud in front of a jury and a packed courthouse, as well as over a YouTube livestream that peaked at around 1,200 viewers." Live audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ZoBSAqmq4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7wda6U8sg
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