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What I'm Hearing About Cognitive Debt (So Far)

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We keep talking about AI fatigue and burnout.

Am I the only one that is finding quite the opposite? I feel like a kid again, back when I had no responsibilities and infinite time to play around and build things. Being able to look at my existing tooling and say "there's a rough edge here" and then whip out the equivalent of a Milwaukee Bandfile [1] and smooth it out is making it fun to go to work again.

[1] https://www.milwaukeetool.com/products/details/m12-fuel-1-2-...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, stay with me here, the LLMs were trained on how we, statistically, write.

Anytime I see “this is not just x, it’s y” i can almost guarantee with high degree of confidence that slop was used.

It's not just AI-generated, it's also slop!

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post #52

There are many projects that should not be built agentically. For things that are appropriate to build with agents, I have come to hold the strong opinion that you need to go all-in. If you built it with an agent, then you fix it with an agent, you debug it with an agent, and you change it with an agent. In that case you should not consider yourself the steward of the source code and worry about “cognitive debt”- it’…

Not my experience at all. I’ve been using Claude Code on a large "hand written" project and it’s genuinely excellent at finding bugs and generating new methods or classes. That said, it still frequently introduces subtle bugs, so I have to review every change carefully. The real trick is learning when to use it. Some tasks are much faster to do myself, while others are faster with Claude Code.

Same experience here. It produces code that I would not accept if it was written by a human, but it also produces a lot of completely fine code. It made me clear tasks that I had been procrastinating for a long time.

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Unfortunately I think Cognitive Debt is the cry of the software craftsperson who thought they were an Engineer. Upon working with the agent subcontractor, the agent factory, the agent part vendor, they approached it as a craft; they found themselves wanting to walk through the offices of the subcontractor reviewing screens, inspect pieces at the factory, and get the internal design for the parts they ordered. It's na…

There is no party capable to take responsibility on the other side of the handover protocol.

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I worry about these remediation measures. The problem described is that the increased reliance on AI has increased cognitive debt, and the solution is to write tests that better capture intent and to update design documents continuously. But the people with cognitive debt problems that got there by using AI are also going to be using AI to write tests that "capture intent better" and using AI to update design documents. And while, sure, those are good things for your agents to be doing just for the sake of the effectiveness of those same agents, it's also not going to help you get out of the cognitive debt spiral.

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The post makes some good points. As a programmer I love writing code. I know coding is just a tool but I enjoy the act of thinking about a problem, finding a solution and implementing it. It gives me a little dopamine boost. Ever since LLMs started writing decent code, I started feeling like a part of that joy of code-writing has been taken away. Using LLMs literally leaves a developer to do (what I find is) the wors…

I empathize with all of the above, but ive honestly felt that way more or less the moment I went from “programmer” to “founder” (I run a small startup since 2021, so a couple years before “agentic programming”). At some point I accepted this as the cost of working at a higher level of abstraction (and getting more done as a result, whether via a human employee or an LLM doing the work I used to do).

I know older devs that reminisce for the days of programming straight to the metal in assembly (e.g. on DOS or Amiga) and “knowing exactly what the computer is doing” which feels somehow familiar!

Even more familiar are senior devs moving to management (I know this isnt an original metaphor).

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Cognitive Debt has existed much earlier before LLMs became mainstream. Technical people got good at their jobs and then was promoted to management. After time they lost their technical abilities but if they are a good manager they kept up to date with the technological landscape and used their engineering thinking to ensure that the people below them worked to their optimum efficiency to achieve the companies goals.…

While this isn't a unique perspective, I think it's wild more people don't understand this. What happened is everyone is being "promoted" to staff+ level engineer and they're realizing the realities of that situation. The funny part is that these are the same people who are upset that these folks up the food chain "do nothing".

If you’re a manager you have people under you that care about the code they write and the direction of the company, not typewriter monkeys.

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> the question becomes how teams will manage cognitive debt That’s the neat trick kiddo, they won’t. Across the industry, the messaging is clear: use AI and be more productive. Management is salivating at the idea of getting rid of people and keeping a higher share of profits for themselves. Most ICs I talk to are increasingly expressing the feeling of burnout, fear of losing jobs and resentment that AI is being push…

Exactly what I’m hearing and feeling too. Devs I know are just going with it so they still have a job. No one cares about quality anymore it’s just a race to output as much code as possible. And when there’s docs, it’s just whatever slop they can have an llm output so it appears to their managers that won’t read it that they did work.

Re: What I'm Hearing About Cognitive Debt (So Far)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are typical LLM voices and styles, just like human writers have differentiated voices and styles. And some common elements of the typical LLM style are distinct from humans I've previously read.

I recognize this. It's also the case that I suspect that I've read more about how annoying suspected LLM output is to read than I have read LLM output. The slop is, to me, an incredibly unwelcome contribution of humans that don't enjoy the craft but complaining about it is equally stuck in and further exacerbating the froth rather than distilling down to the substance. That is it keeps the focus on the surface rather…

LLM writing doesn’t have substance, it’s statistically likely text generated from some bullet points, without intention or style.
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