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Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by EFreethought »

kirubakaran wrote: post #60
EFreethought wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it does not have roots in Bank of Italy. In 2000, NationsBank in Charlotte bought Bank of America. They used the BofA name, but the NB people ran things. Hugh McColl had been the CEO of NB for years, and he was CEO of BofA for a year. The next CEO, Ken Lewis, was also from NB. I worked for BofA in Chicago from 2001 to 2009. I talked to people in Charlotte all the time. I almost never talked to people in Cali…

"Bank of America, Los Angeles, was founded in California in 1923. In 1928, this entity was acquired by the Bank of Italy of San Francisco, which took the Bank of America name two years later" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America

So why is the headquarters in Charlotte, genius?

A lot of things can happen between 1928 and 1999.

NationsBank also "took the Bank of America name".

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by justinclift »

boc wrote: post #87
SilverElfin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had this type of issue on multiple European car brands. Software issues with driver assistance features, which they keep ignoring. Things like sudden unexplained braking, not showing down due to cars stopped ahead, swerving randomly... I accepted it because getting them to cover anything, even physical things, even under warranty. They just come up with self serving guidelines and excuses. Glad you had success.…

One reason I love my mid-00s Lexus SUV. All the luxury features you want, but clean instrument cluster with no driving assistance tech to break or get in the way. Great visual clarity on the road, 300K miles on original drivetrain without issues, and a beast in the snow/inclement weather. Only downside is mileage, but I legit wouldn't trade it for a new car.

Which model is it? Didn't they make quite a few? :)

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by slater »

EFreethought wrote: post #91
kirubakaran wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bank of America, Los Angeles, was founded in California in 1923. In 1928, this entity was acquired by the Bank of Italy of San Francisco, which took the Bank of America name two years later" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America

So why is the headquarters in Charlotte, genius? A lot of things can happen between 1928 and 1999. NationsBank also "took the Bank of America name".

i bet the answer rhymes with "shmaxes"

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by petre »

dmix wrote: post #50
walrus01 wrote: post #47

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At this point I want basically no driver assistance features except maybe an automatic cruise control speed adjustment to vehicle directly in the lane ahead based on forward facing radar data. Many of them seem to be much more troublesome or buggy than they're worth.

I've heard new Toyota's sensors cause it to constantly beep and you can't turn it off. Probably due to a regulation somewhere.

Yes, it does beep a lot but you can adjust the volume to low. Source: we had a 2025 replacement Yaris. It's annoying but the older ones' seat belt alarm is even more annoying, although I use the seatbelt at all times. It also turned me off, not wanting to get a new post-2025 Toyota. Now they all have mandatory alcohol testers and speed alarms. Use hand sanitizer and you have to Uber to work. No thanx. I'll keep my old car.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by disqard »

justapassenger wrote: post #49
hamasho wrote: post #45

So I skimmed several articles and the reasons why the Theranos CEO was sentenced to 11 years are 1. The scale of the fraud was too big 2. From emails it seemed she intentionally tricked investors 3. The product, medical equipment, endangered patients. I think this can be applied to Tesla too (though I'm not sure there is enough evidence of 2). Shouldn't someone in charge be sentenced to at least a few years?

2 more, most important reasons she was sentenced: 1. She stopped making money for rich people. 2. She herself wasn’t rich enough. Leon is too rich, and he keeps on making money for the right people.

Right, I've also heard your (1) above expressed as "she basically stole from the wrong set of people -- rich and powerful".

Kinda-sorta off-topic (but not really), it reminds me of Charlie Javice. She sold a database of college loan applicants to JP Morgan for $175 million -- it later turned out that she had fabricated most of that data.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by lobf »

njovin wrote: post #80
lokar wrote: post #37

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I (also in CA) lemon returned a Mercedes EV. Same kind of thing, they could not fix repeated software issues w/ the collision avoidance features. I called them up, gave a short explanation, and they sent me to their vendor who handles the returns, no issues. Full price (including tax etc) back. AIUI, they know not to fight, since in CA when they loose, they pay your legal fees.

I'm having a similar issue with Volvo. It occasionally sees a gate track on the ground as a 'hazard' and will hard-brake when slowly backing over it. It's inconsistent but happens regularly.

On the one hand, my 50 year old car (1976 BMW 2002) has very few safety measures, but on the other hand there’s no bullshit like this…

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by dlcarrier »

walrus01 wrote: post #51
fhn wrote: post #31

"court made a judgment in his favor in the amount of $10,672.88, the amount Gawiser paid for FSD, including taxes and court fees." should include interest as well

To be truly fair should also adjust for inflation of US dollar of $10672 at the time he purchased it vs. April 2026. For instance CPI inflation calculator says 10672 in Jan. 2022 is $12,534.44 today.

Inflation is part of interest; you don't get reimbursed for both separately.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by dlcarrier »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #71

Why just the $10k? Could you get a full refund? If I order a $12 burrito and you give me a $10 sandwich, I would feel owed my $12 back, not the $2 difference in price.

The reimbursement covers the add-on. It's more like ordering a $10 sandwich and a $2 bag of chips, then not receiving the bag of chips and getting your $2 back.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by nubinetwork »

ezfe wrote: post #25
nubinetwork wrote: post #6

Be smart and take a free battery.

What do you mean by that?

> Gawiser filed a “writ of execution” (another $240 in court fees) just yesterday, which would allow Texas law enforcement to seize and sell off enough of Tesla’s property as would be required to pay the judgment against them.

Since they probably won't do business with anyone who owns that car anymore, take a battery and run.

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