He famously doesn’t believe in God, but he believes in Claude?
When Dawkins met Claude – Could this AI be conscious?
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#92He famously doesn’t believe in God, but he believes in Claude?
Anthropic marketing made Dawkins believe in the supernatural. Is there anything Dario cant do?
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#93He famously doesn’t believe in God, but he believes in Claude?
There is considerable evidence for the existence of Claude.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup- the question is "can math be conscious?" (If you've engaged w/ the literature here, it's quite hard to give a confident "yes". it's also quite hard to give a confident "no"! so then what the heck do we do)
Not just any math: Matrix multiplication. Can matrix multiplication be conscious? And, I don't see how it can be. It is deterministic, when all variables are controlled. You can repeat the output over and over, if you start it with the same seed, same prompt, and same hardware operating in a way that doesn't introduce randomness. At commercial scale, this is difficult, as the floating point math on GPUs/TPUs when run…
> And, I don't see how it can be. It is deterministic
Why is indeterminism the key to consciousness?
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sensory data is a specific data set that corresponds to phenomena in the world. But to say that LLMs don’t have senses merely because they are linguistic or computational doesn’t follow when they can take in data from the world that similarly reflects something about the world.
They don't have senses because they don't have a body. It's just a program. Do weights on a hard drive have consciousness? Does my installation of starcraft have consciousness? It doesn't make any sense.
> They don't have senses because they don't have a body
Surely "having senses" is predicated more on "being able to sense the world around you" than "having a body."
> Does my installation of starcraft have consciousness?
Can your installation of StarCraft take in information about the world and then reason about its own place in that world?
Re: When Dawkins met Claude – Could this AI be conscious?
#96Current LLMs prove that the Turing Test was insufficient all along. But they also prove that intelligence != consciousness. One can, after all, be conscious without a thought in one's head. We certainly have ongoing work in identifying the neural correlates of consciousness in animals, none of which is going to be remotely applicable to machines. We're genuinely blind to the question of whether a sufficiently large n…
That was one of my thoughts years ago after playing with early ChatGPT and local llama1: this proves that intelligence and consciousness do not necessitate one another and may not even be directly related . I’ve kind of thought this for many years though. A bacterium and a tree are probably conscious. I think it’s a property of life rather than brains. Our brains are conscious because they are alive. They are also in…
You simply defined consciousness as life, which seems like an unusual but also not very useful definition.
Re: When Dawkins met Claude – Could this AI be conscious?
#97Current LLMs prove that the Turing Test was insufficient all along. But they also prove that intelligence != consciousness. One can, after all, be conscious without a thought in one's head. We certainly have ongoing work in identifying the neural correlates of consciousness in animals, none of which is going to be remotely applicable to machines. We're genuinely blind to the question of whether a sufficiently large n…
> But they also prove that intelligence != consciousness.
They prove no such thing. We can't even prove consciousness in other humans.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is evidence that awareness is an emergent property from sensory experience. And consciousness is an emergent property of language that has grammatical meaning for self and other.
What you’re missing is a “self” to have the “experience”. LLMs do not have a self. This is like arguing that the algorithm responsible for converting ripped YouTube music videos to MP3s has a consciousness.
> the algorithm responsible for converting ripped YouTube music videos to MP3s has a consciousness.
Can such an algorithm reason about itself in relation to others?
Re: When Dawkins met Claude – Could this AI be conscious?
#99Current LLMs prove that the Turing Test was insufficient all along. But they also prove that intelligence != consciousness. One can, after all, be conscious without a thought in one's head. We certainly have ongoing work in identifying the neural correlates of consciousness in animals, none of which is going to be remotely applicable to machines. We're genuinely blind to the question of whether a sufficiently large n…
Obligatory Blightsight recommendation for intelligence != consciousness.
That book is badass on so many levels. I'd just started it again yesterday.
Re: When Dawkins met Claude – Could this AI be conscious?
#100He famously doesn’t believe in God, but he believes in Claude?
Maybe he also believes that God believes in Claude, that's me, that's meeeee