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The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by bombcar »

hirvi74 wrote: post #76
chubot wrote: post #57

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They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right) Hm interesting So they are making the distinction between regular "human brain" coding and AI-assisted coding? Regular coding could be described as "not doing the thing yourself, but telling the computer what to do" (FWIW I do think there i…

Most actions can be viewed in highly reductionist manner. Even J.S. Bach was aware of the same concept: > "There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself." ~ Johann Sebastian Bach

Iirc the piano was considered uncouth and unskilled because it was “too easy”.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by bombcar »

conartist6 wrote: post #41
isoprophlex wrote: post #20

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I have three (gen A) kids, of which two are of the age to have opinions on this. They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). If I try to spin them a bullshit story, they tell me how can that be true and maybe I got brainwashed by AI. Also they hate ads with a passion. If anything, I…

You have smart kids. Once you use AI for all your work you won't be growing anymore, just fading away

AI is turning all of us into managers and we’ve KNOW forever that managers don’t know anything ;)

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by bombcar »

dinfinity wrote: post #60
isoprophlex wrote: post #20

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I have three (gen A) kids, of which two are of the age to have opinions on this. They tell me I don't have a real job because I just tell the computer what to do, and I don't do the thing myself (to which I can't help but respond that they're absolutely right). If I try to spin them a bullshit story, they tell me how can that be true and maybe I got brainwashed by AI. Also they hate ads with a passion. If anything, I…

> If anything, I'm incredibly hopeful for newer generations. They'll probably mostly be fine, like most of us were. The current state of the world begs to differ with "most of us being mostly fine". Critical thinking skills and the ability to make wise decisions among the various electorates seem to be in a incredibly shitty state. Anecdotally, Gen Z-ers as a whole are definitely not better at this; they're easily sw…

Maybe requiring large swaths of people to “make the right decisions” as the electorate was a problem from the start.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by tarr11 »

sonofhans wrote: post #77
tarr11 wrote: post #33

The cool thing about the current generation of AI tools is how easy it is to uncover bias or an agenda in an article like this. paste the verge article text into your favorite AI tool and ask for an analysis. Make sure to ask it to read the source Gallup data that this article leans on and compare the conclusions drawn.

The cool thing about critical reasoning is how easy it is to uncover bias or agenda in an article like this. I suspect that as you rely more on a robot for this your own skills will atrophy.

This article is filled with emotional triggers designed to drive engagement. Even the title. It can be hard to separate those things from objective facts.

Putting an llm in front of it helps me focus on the facts.

There are also too many things to read. My default before llms would have been to ignore this article.

At least now I learned some things (mostly about the Gallup poll which had source data)

I do think some people will outsource critical thinking to llms - but it also helps amplify critical thinking by doing a lot of the filtering and organizing and let me focus on the things i think are important.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by bombcar »

jdw64 wrote: post #58
mzi wrote: post #50

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> In the past, a job that would have given me two months and paid $5,000 is now expected to be completed in two weeks for the same $5,000. So you have quadrupled your income? That seems like the opposite of a collapse.

Because of the nature of freelance work, jobs are not always steady. Most freelancers constantly worry that the work may disappear tomorrow. In my case, unlike contract freelancers who are hired for a fixed period, I usually work on a project-delivery basis. Of course, well-known programmers may be able to negotiate salary-like contracts, but that is not my situation. I think my earlier example may have been unclear.…

I think they’re saying there’s another stepdown coming, the job in two weeks for $1,000 is right around the corner.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by sailfast »

not_wyoming wrote: post #86
bccdee wrote: post #82

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And then how do you uncover bias in your chatbot? Do you ask it to analyze its own analysis? For that matter, what about the bias in your prompt, which LLMs tend to accept uncritically? Do your own preconceived opinions bias you against the argument made in the article? Are you using a chatbot to think critically about the article, or to avoid thinking critically about your own beliefs? > At the same time, 79 percent…

I actually did this - I plugged The Verge article into Claude and got the following critique of what biases are there: > The article accurately cites real Gallup data but selectively omits findings that complicate its "backlash" narrative — most notably that curiosity is Gen Z's single most common emotion toward AI, and that daily users remain substantially more hopeful and excited than the aggregate figures suggest.…

> LLMs are breakthrough technologies. The AI products we have today are SaaS products built by companies doing everything they can to find people who will pay for them. Very, very different things.

THIS. ALL. DAY.

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by catcowcostume »

tarr11 wrote: post #33

The cool thing about the current generation of AI tools is how easy it is to uncover bias or an agenda in an article like this. paste the verge article text into your favorite AI tool and ask for an analysis. Make sure to ask it to read the source Gallup data that this article leans on and compare the conclusions drawn.

So are you outsourcing your thinking? You just prove the article's point

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by catcowcostume »

not_wyoming wrote: post #86
bccdee wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then how do you uncover bias in your chatbot? Do you ask it to analyze its own analysis? For that matter, what about the bias in your prompt, which LLMs tend to accept uncritically? Do your own preconceived opinions bias you against the argument made in the article? Are you using a chatbot to think critically about the article, or to avoid thinking critically about your own beliefs? > At the same time, 79 percent…

I actually did this - I plugged The Verge article into Claude and got the following critique of what biases are there: > The article accurately cites real Gallup data but selectively omits findings that complicate its "backlash" narrative — most notably that curiosity is Gen Z's single most common emotion toward AI, and that daily users remain substantially more hopeful and excited than the aggregate figures suggest.…

So basically sycophantic LLM behavior. Nothing new then

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by catcowcostume »

mzi wrote: post #50
jdw64 wrote: post #2

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well. But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks. The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use…

> In the past, a job that would have given me two months and paid $5,000 is now expected to be completed in two weeks for the same $5,000. So you have quadrupled your income? That seems like the opposite of a collapse.

But because of AI demand also fell. You can quandruple income without customers

Re: The More Young People Use AI, the More They Hate It

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Post by elmomle »

pocksuppet wrote: post #70
Lyngbakr wrote: post #40

> They are being told, on the one hand, that these tools are going to eliminate millions of jobs, and on the other that they have to use them if they don’t want to fall behind. I'm currently reading a fascinating book called Blood In The Machine° about the Luddites who opposed certain technologies in 19th century England and the parallels with the current state of affairs. It's important to remember that while histor…

Because history is written by the victors, the Luddites were painted as idiots who just hated machines for no reason or dumb reasons. This couldn't be further from the truth.

The sad thing that I haven't been able to resolve in my mind is that this is a cultural multi-party prisoners' dilemma among sovereign entities.

From a power-centric point of view, if my neighbors intentionally cast off modern technology, they are ripe for domination, economic exploitation, etc. The history of human civilization from the age of city-states onward is about navigating the need for protection from hostile, arrogating outside forces (and/or being one of those hostile forces).

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