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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by advael »

kodablah wrote: post #65
TGower wrote: post #52

This is a wild misrepresentation of the situation. Saying there is no opt-out is just false, they even provide the information on how users can opt-out. The "mandatory 24 hour cooling-off period" is also misleading, it's easy to bypass the cooling-off period with ADB.

> Saying there is no opt-out is just false I can't see where one can opt-out of this new behavior and into the existing behavior, only a description of the new behavior's bypass (which is not the same thing at all) > easy to bypass the cooling-off period with ADB I don't think this is a reasonable use of the term "easy". I should be able to give my non-technical friend an apk and they can use it right then, with the…

I will say, an underrated use case for even small, local LLMs is making command line tools drastically more accessible to laypeople

I now know zero people I don't think should use linux, and people I know seems to run quite a gamut of technical know-how compared to most other technical folks I know

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #84
pngwen wrote: post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

I'm on this path too. Waiting a few more months to see what happens. If they indeed block my 4 apps on my phone (which aren't published anywhere), I will simply move to Apple.

Will your 4 unpublished apps be in your android-alternative apple device?

Android will still have the ability to install non-google-distributed programs. The problem is the ominous momentum, but it is still more open than the apple alternative

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by rcxdude »

selectively wrote: post #74
rcxdude wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't trust Google will keep to that, sorry. Nor can I accept harms being twisted into a further centralised accumulation of power (especially when Google, with all their resources, could likely do much more to prevent these scams than grabbing that power for themselves)

Well, the very good news is that Google is not seeking your trust. You have no say at all. This is the new system, it benefits actual real people over HN commenters and you will just have to deal with it. Google doesn't have the ability to change the way banking apps work with regards to transferring money from one account to another in Malaysia/Brazil/Thailand. That would be a matter for the national Governments. Th…

I'm aware I lack power here, but you seem to be trying to convince me it's a good thing.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by selectively »

diydsp wrote: post #86
selectively wrote: post #36

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Those developers will pay $25 for identity verification and have no issues.

Drivers license leaks are surging.

Google's identity verification system relies on multiple factors, not solely drivers licensees or other national identity documents.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by selectively »

rcxdude wrote: post #93
selectively wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the very good news is that Google is not seeking your trust. You have no say at all. This is the new system, it benefits actual real people over HN commenters and you will just have to deal with it. Google doesn't have the ability to change the way banking apps work with regards to transferring money from one account to another in Malaysia/Brazil/Thailand. That would be a matter for the national Governments. Th…

I'm aware I lack power here, but you seem to be trying to convince me it's a good thing.

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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by tombert »

absolute8606 wrote: post #60
volemo wrote: post #19

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Sadly it works only on Pixel phones.

They’ve announced a partnership with Motorola to have it installed on some of their phones in the future, so not just Pixels for long!

Assuming that this Graphene partnership ends up working out, this is probably what I will end up doing once my current iPhone dies. I like my iPhone 13 Pro Max, it's a good phone and I don't really have a desire to get rid of it, but eventually it will break, or get stolen, or in some other way become unusable, and as such it will need to be replaced.

I really hated my Pixel 7 Pro, but I think that was bad hardware and not Android's fault, and since buying my iPhone 13 I have bought my Thinkpad and have been unbelievably impressed with Lenovo hardware (especially since the last Android phone that I bought that I actually liked was my Moto X3).

It would be great if Graphene ends up getting support from at least one first party, because at that point I think there's at least a chance it won't screw with banking apps and the like.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by kiproping »

TGower wrote: post #52

This is a wild misrepresentation of the situation. Saying there is no opt-out is just false, they even provide the information on how users can opt-out. The "mandatory 24 hour cooling-off period" is also misleading, it's easy to bypass the cooling-off period with ADB.

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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by gowld »

selectively wrote: post #88
kodablah wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Saying there is no opt-out is just false I can't see where one can opt-out of this new behavior and into the existing behavior, only a description of the new behavior's bypass (which is not the same thing at all) > easy to bypass the cooling-off period with ADB I don't think this is a reasonable use of the term "easy". I should be able to give my non-technical friend an apk and they can use it right then, with the…

The way you give your non-technical friends an APK and they just install it is by you signing it.

But I want to let someone MITM my non-technical friend and repalce my APK with malware.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Post by johntash »

selectively wrote: post #55
notrealyme123 wrote: post #39

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For how long will ADB work? Obviously Google doesn't want user to install apps outside of their control

Google doesn't want millions of people to have every cent of their money stolen. This measure is about making it harder to pull off a specific type of scam that is plaguing South East Asia. No conspiracy. For actual information on the purpose of this change rather than conspiracies, I refer you to https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/03/android-de... Since the victims of these scams do not typically own a t…

I sorta get that reasoning, but is a 24 hour cooldown really going to stop scammers? They're already used to multi-day scams, so wouldn't they just say they'll call back in a day to finish the process?
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