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U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by llbbdd »

demorro wrote: post #70
llbbdd wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this take a lot and I don't really understand it. IMO if there's anybody to blame here, and I don't think there is, you could go back and assign blame to the authors of the Attention is All You Need paper, or Google as its publisher. Once that was out in the wild it was only a matter of time before someone productized it, but there was no conceivable world in which nobody decided to, and there was no guaran…

> Once that was out in the wild it was only a matter of time before someone productized it, but there was no conceivable world in which nobody decided to... By this logic, we cannot blame anyone who is the agent of anything that we deem to be inevitable. Just because it is eventually going to happen, that means you are completely non-culpable for being the person who does it. This could obviously be extended into jus…

Yeah but I think that's precisely what makes it fuzzier than a zero-sum blame game. Given that this technology was going to be in public hands no matter what, the how matters more than condemning the first visible target. Instead of ChatGPT, the first wide use of this tech could have been a private endeavor to secretly kill the internet. The fact that anyone can see and use it, and learn it's hallmarks, arguably helps innoculate some of the populace against the worst things it could be used for. We're able to sit around and complain that the discourse has been poisoned by robots instead of blindly wondering why otherwise-indistinguishable fellow humans are all saying "delve" suddenly.

I'm not sure I have a specific point here other than that I think it's interesting that he became a target, not necessarily that he's actually blameless.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by [deleted] »

jbxntuehineoh wrote: post #73
derriz wrote: post #50

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I’d guess that the pattern of ball wrinkles are quite unique. It could have applications for secure login - you’d could hold your balls above your phone camera or lay them onto a USB attached mini-scanner for authentication.

iphone 18: now with ball and/or pussy scanner!

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Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

The interesting thing is that the issue is real, but that issue is artificially created. If we had the will, we could technically stop it today. Separately, there is too much money to be made ( or ,at least, people with the money think there is, which effectively amounts to the same thing ) and, unless corrected, it is obvious which way corporates will pick.

The good news is: this is the one tech that can be relatively easily stopped, if we so choose. Compared to data centers, this is easy. And yet, I am not sure, if it will be easy enough for most to care about.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by ryandrake »

dylan604 wrote: post #86
taeric wrote: post #31

This is an odd topic. On the one hand, we do seem to have a problem where attention is hijacked by engagement farming. On the other, we also know of problems from draconian management. I would actually like it if we had something that could say, only promote things on my feeds that are "liked" by people within a geographic radius of me. At the least, mute things that are getting pumped from hostile regions. I just do…

> only promote things on my feeds that are "liked" by people within a geographic radius of me Ugh, really? I live in a part of town where I speak a different language than the vast majority of the people in this "geographic radius of me" which means I'd see very little content that I could understand. Where do people come up with these wild ideas of anything other than show me the content of people I want to see in t…

$trillions of global brainpower is spent yearly trying to answer "How do we get people to consume things they didn't ask for?" whether those things are products, services, ads, or online content.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by nickvec »

dylan604 wrote: post #80
iknowstuff wrote: post #64

Judging solely by their FAQ, this is not enough. Iris photos can be fabricated client-side, including by AI, and can be shared. So it's invasive AND worthless? Why is this getting support? You need an offline/IRL verification step and measures to prevent sharing/cloning. AND you need to never phone home revealing services you're using. Total garbage Proof of human verification powered by the Orb only involves one typ…

Calling it The Orb does not help anything but adding to the creepy factor. Also, Alex Patterson is not involved with this, and I refuse to accept it being called The Orb.

Agreed. Gives me Palantir vibes.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by jacquesm »

notahacker wrote: post #69
jacquesm wrote: post #35

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'And how do you know this is the case?' : 'Receipts, mostly.'.

yeah, always struck me as odd that Thiel is more obsessed with identifying candidate antichrists than almost anyone else on the planet, including some people who are actually observant Christians, and yet it doesn't seem to have occurred to him that the most messianic secular figures who treat themselves as above mere laws and the guys making millenarian prophesies about the scale of what they're going to deliver are…

And he's funding them.

Re: U.S. companies back Sam Altman's World ID even as much of the world pushes back

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Post by p_stuart82 »

iknowstuff wrote: post #64

Judging solely by their FAQ, this is not enough. Iris photos can be fabricated client-side, including by AI, and can be shared. So it's invasive AND worthless? Why is this getting support? You need an offline/IRL verification step and measures to prevent sharing/cloning. AND you need to never phone home revealing services you're using. Total garbage Proof of human verification powered by the Orb only involves one typ…

Let the bot mess get bad enough, then charge users to prove they're human. That's the business model.
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