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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by pvtmert »

apparatur wrote: post #41
angott wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think they’re going to drop support for local backups any time soon. There are lots of enterprise customers relying on Time Machine who will never switch to iCloud. TM can also be configured via MDM settings and is a really common solution for Mac IT administrators, so it would take ages to deprecate it.

"There are a lot of enterprise customers using Xcode server". And poof, it's gone and there's now only the Xcode cloud service. It would not take ages. It would take a single release which no longer supports it. Complaints? Keep using the old one or subscribe.

I think they switched to cloud because;

- BigCo already is a zero-sum deal, they use Xcode-cloud as a service, which runs back on their servers anyway... (Google, Amazon, Azure, etc)

- It was not a long-standing product. Introduced somewhere around 2016~ish if I remember correctly. Only lasted a few major releases. Easier to kill than an established one (ie. TimeMachine)

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by traderj0e »

eastbound wrote: post #89
traderj0e wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, can't remember the last time I even bothered with SMB because it's so buggy. Usually I don't need filesystem behavior, I'll just push/pull files over SSH.

I regret the difficulty of mounting an SSH connection as a filesystem. It requires Fuse and giving permissions to the kernel.

I used to do that a lot in some old versions of OS X, but then MacFUSE got abandoned and picked up as osxfuse, then that broke then got fixed repeatedly with several Mac updates, and I gave up.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by TimTheTinker »

Melatonic wrote: post #50
TimTheTinker wrote: post #24

Ubiquiti is really taking up the slack in some areas Apple has abandoned. I bought a UNAS-2 (and a couple of 12 TB IronWolf Pro drives) a few months ago when the "time capsule will not be supported in a future version of macOS" warning first appeared. It has been outstanding alongside the rest of my UniFi setup, and perfectly supports Time Machine backups. The UniFi Identity macOS app means my family's computers alwa…

Have you tried it also working to backup files from Linux and windows machines ? Was hoping for a good mixed backup solution and I'm getting Ubiquiti would deliver here. Also why the 12TB ironwolf drives specifically ? Personally I always was a fan of buying true enterprise (the ones designed for "online" or near line storage) but sometimes specific models and sizes of random drives do very well in Backblaze testing

I don't have any Linux/Windows machines, but I've seen nothing that would dissuade me from using it when I eventually migrate my current laptop to Asahi Linux.

As for IronWolf Pro drives, I chose them because they seem to have similar longevity to enterprise drives with less noise (my equipment is in a closet under the stairs).

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by [deleted] »

pvtmert wrote: post #88
post-it wrote: post #67

Why is it that Apple products attract blogspam titles? > Networking changes coming in macOS 27 And yet: > This year, with just over six weeks to go before that first beta of macOS 27, we already have two warnings of what might be coming. > It repeated those warnings with macOS Sequoia 15.5, but still hasn’t confirmed when AFP will be lost. > Although Apple carefully avoids being too specific, it warns that this chang…

I originally added a different title: Apple is dropping AFP/TimeMachine support in macOS 27. It seems like somehow got overwritten to the original title of the post. Nevertheless, knowing Apple so far, unless _some_ large-enterprise~y customer comes and objects, they will drop the support. We already know Intel support is dropping. Why not clean up rest of the things from the kernel and the userspace?

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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by Hamuko »

amluto wrote: post #74
ndisn wrote: post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Even ignoring the lack of polish, the animations make it very hard to actually use Time Machine.

The worst feature of Time Machine is how it takes over every single display you have. Even though it only shows content on one screen, it feels the need to completely black out the others.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by adjejmxbdjdn »

amluto wrote: post #74
ndisn wrote: post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Even ignoring the lack of polish, the animations make it very hard to actually use Time Machine.

A couple of revisions in Time Machine was just fine.

The UI was cute and fun if you wanted an older revision of a single file (especially since you could see previews of the file as you warped backwards).

However, importantly, the snapshots were available in Finder itself so you could browse through the files you wanted and retrieve them.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by catoc »

yobert wrote: post #33
shantara wrote: post #26

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago… …and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no in…

I found something fun last week--- Apparently if you use Adobe tools, there is a sync plugin they install for finder that can cause big issues with SMB shares. Might help you if you have that!

Would you have any more info? I have both: adobe synctool + issues with smb shares

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

tracker1 wrote: post #90
ryandrake wrote: post #46

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"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

Ironic, considering Linux is dropping a LOT of old devices from 7.1

It's my understanding that those are (mostly?) devices where they legitimately have reason to believe there are zero users. In particular, there's a pattern where someone will discover that Linux has a driver that hasn't actually worked for a long time, and nobody's complained, so then they remove it.

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Post by TheJoeMan »

_verandaguy wrote: post #53
ryandrake wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

The economics make the reasoning obvious, though. With closed source IP, every bit of support, from bug fixes, to feature requests, to compatibility fixes to integrate with newer mainline/foundational tooling, costs money. With open source projects (and in particular ones like Linux where there's a huge number of contributors and interested parties), support for would-be niche facilities can keep going as long as the…

There's somewhere in the ballpark of 166,000 employees at Apple, just unfathomable scale [1]. It is not unreasonable to ask that someone specific is responsible for each particular small feature and ensuring it keeps working. Trying to apply an economic analysis to such a "free as in beer" operating system does not seem to work well. Consider the question of "how many small holes can you have in your wooden sailing ship"?

[1] https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/aapl/employees/

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