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Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

stego-tech wrote: post #67
catgary wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you need to give some concrete examples, considering the US happily let its companies offshore a lot of work to China over the years, and Chinese funds own large chunks of American companies.

Okay! * The US and UK propped up the Iranian Shah to help western oil interests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état * US Export Controls basically handcuff anyone of import involved in creating anything of value to the state: https://www.investopedia.com/u-s-export-restrictions-6753407 * We continue to embargo Cuba instead of letting it succeed or fail on its own merits - while also controlling th…

Also you can add middle east for last 20-30 years.

Complete disregard for human life for profit.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by hasbr12 »

kubb wrote: post #71
qaK127 wrote: post #64

Obviously. With the US first controlling Venezuelan energy supplies to China and then cutting of Iranian energy supplies to China (as well as to the EU), what do you expect? China isn't as stupid as the EU, which just says thanks and would you perhaps like to blow up another pipeline? Hormuz will stay closed by the pirates. LNG terminals are already built in Alaska to supply the Asian "allies", whose economy the US a…

Somehow this is about the EU?

US controlling the world's energy routes goes back to the Suez Crisis, where it wrestled the canal from Britain. Reagan blew up a Russian-German pipeline. The Nord Stream sabotage was at least condoned and cheered on. Now the closure of Hormuz was first provoked and then co-opted by the US.

Yes, this is about the rest of the world.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by thrownthatway »

stego-tech wrote: post #49
reissbaker wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've been all over this this thread responding with the same whataboutist comments claiming America does the same thing. And yet, I'm pretty sure America hasn't held American citizens hostage in order to force them to unwind a sale of a foreign company they founded to a different foreign company.

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While I don’t agree with your tone, and I’m sure an unbiased reading of history also wouldn’t agree with your tone…

Who would you rather be world police? One or more of Cuba, Iran, China, Russia?

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by JPKab »

stego-tech wrote: post #67
catgary wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you need to give some concrete examples, considering the US happily let its companies offshore a lot of work to China over the years, and Chinese funds own large chunks of American companies.

Okay! * The US and UK propped up the Iranian Shah to help western oil interests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état * US Export Controls basically handcuff anyone of import involved in creating anything of value to the state: https://www.investopedia.com/u-s-export-restrictions-6753407 * We continue to embargo Cuba instead of letting it succeed or fail on its own merits - while also controlling th…

You basically just parroted a bunch of Howard Zinn agitprop and didn't cite a single example that was remotely similar to this specific incident, because you literally can't. What exactly is your motivation here, because it's certainly not truth-seeking.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by maxglute »

JPKab wrote: post #83
maxglute wrote: post #59

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US absolutely has exit bans on people who break/is being investigated for national security and export control laws, which is what Manus did. Except Americans don't call it hostage taking when they do it.

Please cite an example.

Not sure if serious, you think US doesn't make people surrender passports for NSL investigations, i.e. Supermicro trio surrendered their passports.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by jujube3 »

stego-tech wrote: post #67
catgary wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you need to give some concrete examples, considering the US happily let its companies offshore a lot of work to China over the years, and Chinese funds own large chunks of American companies.

Okay! * The US and UK propped up the Iranian Shah to help western oil interests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état * US Export Controls basically handcuff anyone of import involved in creating anything of value to the state: https://www.investopedia.com/u-s-export-restrictions-6753407 * We continue to embargo Cuba instead of letting it succeed or fail on its own merits - while also controlling th…

Since you think Cuba and China are such nice places, perhaps try living there. You'll quickly find out about their "merits" (such as the fact that they execute dissidents).

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by kccqzy »

pelorat wrote: post #78
kccqzy wrote: post #28

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The CCP is known to be very aggressive. Even if the founders acquired Singaporean citizenship (which is way easier for ethnic Chinese people than for other races), the CCP would have taken them hostage if they just set foot in China like for a business trip. They can invent a crime and subject them to a trial with Chinese rules. What can Singapore do? It’s a tiny country that tries to walk a tightrope by simultaneous…

> which is way easier for ethnic Chinese people than for other races Nationals. The word you are looking for is nationals.

I am not. I am referring to the Chinese race. Their nationality could be Taiwanese or even Malaysian and the result is the same.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by maxglute »

JPKab wrote: post #85
maxglute wrote: post #63

This just PRC finally applying their version of US export controls, i.e. PRC gets to control PRC originated algos, same argument as TikTok. The founders aren't held "hostage", they're under investigation for violating export control and national security laws. PRC hinted signalled pretty clearly they would use art12 (catch all clause) of export control laws and offshore affiliate rules (to address Singapore loophole)…

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all the epetroyuan pandabond credits.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by [deleted] »

nerdsniper wrote: post #54
stego-tech wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Just last year the USA de-banked (from EU banks) EU citizens who are International Criminal Court officials for "opening preliminary investigations against Israeli personnel". The USA wields incredible power over financial interactions.

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Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Post by 3401876 »

JPKab wrote: post #85
maxglute wrote: post #63

This just PRC finally applying their version of US export controls, i.e. PRC gets to control PRC originated algos, same argument as TikTok. The founders aren't held "hostage", they're under investigation for violating export control and national security laws. PRC hinted signalled pretty clearly they would use art12 (catch all clause) of export control laws and offshore affiliate rules (to address Singapore loophole)…

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How much is Xi paying the Washington Post, which reports:

"In January, Beijing began investigating Manus for compliance with export controls [...]"

You could make way more money as an AI shill.

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