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Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by TitaRusell »

jeffbee wrote: post #13
irishcoffee wrote: post #6

I’ve always thought “man it would have been a great job selling shovels and pickaxes during the gold rush” back in the day.” I know, I know, it’s really hard having these insights. We all have our crosses to bear.

The "picks and shovels" people from the dotcom days all went broke. The stuff they had convinced themselves and their investors was crucial turned out to be not important.

Nobody actually goes broke anymore man. They'll still be multi millionaires. They will still have a contact list. Hell you will receive a pardon if it comes to that.

It's actually really hard for the aristocracy to end up in a Florida trailer park.

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #75
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments are companies that have accountability to the public, wherein the public has direct influence over their decisionmaking, unlike regular corporations where people have no influence whatsoever (without lobbying the government to regulate them, anyways). To the extent that governments work against the people, it is largely because people in some countries are collectively very stupid and willingly support su…

oh, yes, Trump famous for being held accountable.

He is politically accountable. The majority of the voting populace voted him back in and also voted for a majority of legislators whose central policy was worshipping the ground on which he stands. America is getting exactly what its people voted for, if you have a problem with that you have a problem with democracy itself.

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by Yizahi »

fxtentacle wrote: post #71

I feel like those articles all look at the wrong aspect: once AI companies are forced to compete on price (i.e. in 6 months), then Google’s TPU is going to be a massive advantage that’s almost impossible for Amazon or Microsoft to replace.

Even bigger advantage Google has, in addition to TPUs and other stuff, is bundling. Bundle paid AI tiers with other products and entice users with clever pricing tiers, and you're golden. In fact this is what Google already does. Cheapest paid AI tier - 4$ and you also get two hundred gigs of cloud storage and photo backup and office and stuff. You want more storage - sure we have that, plus some higher AI usage limits on top of that, or maybe you want average storage but much more AI tokens? We have that too. Family packs? Sure. And so on. OpenAI doesn't have a photo editor or a music streaming or or funny reels network to bundle their expensive AI with.

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by pixelbro »

abenga wrote: post #69
siren2026 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The incentive for those Adtech is to keep you hooked as long as possible so they can sell you more ads, and making you lose your only real currency in life: time. The incentive for Apple or Microsoft is to make a good product that you will gladly pay for. This is very different. A good restaurant makes an excellent product bit it doesn't mean that I will spend 5 hours there.

I use Google products. Between YouTube premium and uBlock origin, I don't really see any ads at all.

Google Analytics has >80% market share. Most of the websites you visit are helping them build a profile of everything you do on the internet with the goal of selling targeted advertisement. That is their business, it's what pays for everything else they do. I think that is what is meant by surveillance capitalism.

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by GuB-42 »

jeffbee wrote: post #13
irishcoffee wrote: post #6

I’ve always thought “man it would have been a great job selling shovels and pickaxes during the gold rush” back in the day.” I know, I know, it’s really hard having these insights. We all have our crosses to bear.

The "picks and shovels" people from the dotcom days all went broke. The stuff they had convinced themselves and their investors was crucial turned out to be not important.

I guess they failed at the "during the gold rush" part.

Selling picks and shovels after the gold rush is a terrible idea.

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by pjmlp »

TitaRusell wrote: post #89
pjmlp wrote: post #82

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All cloud vendors are buggy, and if you aren't paying enough there are only bots to talk to.

If you want cheap that's what you get. Service costs money. Like how my local supermarket prefers hiring teenagers.

Depending on your wallet size, all cloud services are great,

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] »

esperent wrote: post #77
_pdp_ wrote: post #68

In a highly competitive markets, consumers win.

Unless that market causes you to lose your job, of course. Or unless you want to buy RAM or a new graphics card. Or unless you are an artist, or a translator, or... But sure, if you want to buy AI tokens, you win.

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Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by victorbjorklund »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #92
victorbjorklund wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh, yes, Trump famous for being held accountable.

He is politically accountable. The majority of the voting populace voted him back in and also voted for a majority of legislators whose central policy was worshipping the ground on which he stands. America is getting exactly what its people voted for, if you have a problem with that you have a problem with democracy itself.

In what way? What will happen to him? As far as I know, he is not standing for a re-election anyway, so exactly zero consequences for him.

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by tt24 »

modo_mario wrote: post #88
tt24 wrote: post #36

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Saying this about a compute rental service is hilarious They have the power to do what exactly? Sell you some EC2 instances at reasonable prices? lol There’s organizations that have the power to openly kidnap and execute people and we’re being melodramatic about a few buildings with computers in them

>There’s organizations that have the power to openly kidnap and execute people and... Like banana companies?

No, I’m not aware of any banana companies that currently have the power to murder people.

Re: Google banks on AI edge to catch up to cloud rivals Amazon and Microsoft

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Post by chneu »

Yizahi wrote: post #93
fxtentacle wrote: post #71

I feel like those articles all look at the wrong aspect: once AI companies are forced to compete on price (i.e. in 6 months), then Google’s TPU is going to be a massive advantage that’s almost impossible for Amazon or Microsoft to replace.

Even bigger advantage Google has, in addition to TPUs and other stuff, is bundling. Bundle paid AI tiers with other products and entice users with clever pricing tiers, and you're golden. In fact this is what Google already does. Cheapest paid AI tier - 4$ and you also get two hundred gigs of cloud storage and photo backup and office and stuff. You want more storage - sure we have that, plus some higher AI usage limi…

Googles bundling really is ingenious and possibly illegal.

I bet a significant chunk of folks reading this have a recurring charge from Google for extra storage, compute, hosting, YouTube, etc.

Google became really good at nickel/diming people

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