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Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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groggo wrote: post #20
nikcub wrote: post #12

Stunning results at the top of the field. Some interesting takeaways on both fuelling and shoes. Maurten spent months working with Sawe and other runners getting their gut capacity trained so they could absorb and burn 100 carbs per hour[0][1] > The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by m…

One gram of carbs is 4 calories., so more like 400 calories per hour. It was confusing when the running industry switched from calories to grams of carbs, but that's all anyone talks about now.

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Post by Metacelsus »

It's always interesting to see East Africans doing so well. Even with technology like advances in shoes and diet/training, genetics is still a huge factor.

Also it must be an crazy feeling to be Kejelcha, the guy who came in 2nd place. It would have been a world record, except for Sawe!

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Post by andy_ppp »

canucker2016 wrote: post #69
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adidas all over this one https://news.adidas.com/running/two-adidas-athletes-sabastia...

The Adidas Adios Pro Evo 3 - https://news.adidas.com/running/adidas-unveils-its-first-sub... adidas introduces the Adizero Adios Pro Evo 3 – the lightest and fastest Adizero shoe ever, weighing an average 97* grams. The race-day shoe represents the culmination of three years of cutting-edge research. It is 30% lighter, delivers 11% greater forefoot energy return, and improves running economy by 1.6% compared to its p…

You can buy them in the UK soon, just £450 and I suspect they'll disintegrate quickly... https://www.adidas.co.uk/adizero-adios-pro-evo-3-shoes/KH767...

Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Post by tejohnso »

spenjovewkwhalo wrote: post #68

Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…

> Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards.

I wonder where that leaves the barefoot movement. Hype dust?

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Post by loeg »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #23
nikcub wrote: post #12

Stunning results at the top of the field. Some interesting takeaways on both fuelling and shoes. Maurten spent months working with Sawe and other runners getting their gut capacity trained so they could absorb and burn 100 carbs per hour[0][1] > The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by m…

> could absorb and burn 100 calories per hour burning a hundred calories an hour is trivial. Most people will burn 100 calories per mile when walking or running, and more if moving as fast as these athletes, and many, many humans can do this for far, far longer than 2 hours. It's the absorbtion that's the challenge. Maurten is not somehow alone in the particular stuff they've developed - ultra runners are generally s…

> burning a hundred calories

GP left out the units but is clearly talking about grams ("absorb ... 100 carbs per hour"), not calories (no one needs training to absorb 25g/hr). Carbs are 4 kcal/g. 100g of carb (400 kcal) an hour isn't replacement level for even casual athletic efforts, but it does mitigate the loss of glycogen in muscle somewhat.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

jmb99 wrote: post #73
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #28

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The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster. Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.

> Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m. That works out to roughly a 16.7-second 100m. While certainly not crawling, that would be a fairly average pace for a fairly fit middle- to early-high-schooler with a bit of practice. Yes that’s insane to maintain for a marathon, but it’s not even remotely out of reach for 100m for most relatively-fit people at some point in their lives.

It's the "at some point in their lives" that matters here. For most folks, the period where a 16.7 100m is feasible is pretty short.

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croemer wrote: post #79
jmb99 wrote: post #73

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> Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m. That works out to roughly a 16.7-second 100m. While certainly not crawling, that would be a fairly average pace for a fairly fit middle- to early-high-schooler with a bit of practice. Yes that’s insane to maintain for a marathon, but it’s not even remotely out of reach for 100m for most relatively-fit people at some point in their lives.

I think it's even slow for high schoolers. I didn't practice that much and ran 100m in 12.5s from rest at my peak. 4s slower is snail pace. I think most in my class could run that fast (or slow).

I agree. I ran mid 16s in 8th grade, and was in the 14s in high school, with the only training being whatever we did in gym class. But I do also look at the sheer number of overweight kids these days and figured, well maybe mid-16s is actually a reasonable average point.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

hackingonempty wrote: post #87
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #28

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The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster. Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.

Here's a random high school in Northern California. Everyone on the team is beating 16.7 seconds in the 100m. For the 1600m there are six kids with times under 4m30s and another seven with times under 4m40s, all in the last month. https://www.athletic.net/team/770/track-and-field-outdoor/20... * of course one mile is hardly comparable to the marathon that pros are able to sustain such speeds over...

How many kids at the school?

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Post by sethev »

hackingonempty wrote: post #87
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster. Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.

Here's a random high school in Northern California. Everyone on the team is beating 16.7 seconds in the 100m. For the 1600m there are six kids with times under 4m30s and another seven with times under 4m40s, all in the last month. https://www.athletic.net/team/770/track-and-field-outdoor/20... * of course one mile is hardly comparable to the marathon that pros are able to sustain such speeds over...

Not sure that disproves the point :) Most people have never been anywhere close to competing with the top 6 athletes at a high school with ~2k students.
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