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Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Now to take the last logical step like Canada and suggest assisted suicide to the high cost patients.

Only those who have become high cost patients due to choosing to put themselves at risk for years.

Admittedly I have only read of Canadian Healthcare, but, that is not what I have read. Terminal patients and the elderly are offered death as a treatment. Cancer patients are the most common. About 5% of deaths in Canada are from the MAID program.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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This is the logical conclusion when you socialize healthcare. If you’re pro NHS / single payer, you *must* support this. As well as banning drugs, sugar, extreme sports, unprotected sex, and other high risk behavior. Anything short of this just doesn’t make sense.

You are wrong. The swingeing taxes on cigarettes already cover the healthcare costs and the smokers die early saving even more money.

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That’s a consensual transaction that I choose to engage in. Doesn’t apply to single payer or the NHS

If you are housed, you are almost certainly paying for home insurance, even if you rent.

1. Many landlords don’t require tenant’s insurance. 2. If you choose to get a mortgage you have to pay for homeowner’s insurance yes. You have the option to not get a mortgage if you prefer.

Notice how in both of the above, there is no third party forcing me to pay for anybody’s bad choices.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Smoking related illness costs the UK more in healthcare than the tax revenue it collects. No twist needed, it's really fucking logical.

It’s also cheaper to euthanize people rather than treat them. It’s just logical.

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Raise taxes until it balances!

You assume that there is a balance point. There is an unlimited demand for healthcare. Additionally the more money you give to a failing system, the worse it gets. It’s a positive feedback loop.

Cigarettes being $15m a cancer stick is more amusing to me than an outright ban.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Why not?

Personal anecdotes and bias. I’ve never met anyone successful who regularly consumes drugs as serious as cocaine. At worst it’s marijuana, with minor experimentation with harder substances in college or on special occasions.

I can’t believe someone with so little life experience would speak so confidently. You don’t know any successful drug users?

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Personal anecdotes and bias. I’ve never met anyone successful who regularly consumes drugs as serious as cocaine. At worst it’s marijuana, with minor experimentation with harder substances in college or on special occasions.

I can’t believe someone with so little life experience would speak so confidently. You don’t know any successful drug users?

Not habitual and not anything harder than marijuana no. I don’t believe that I have little life experience, I live in a wealthy part of the United States and my circle’s median income is in the 300s, so I think I have a pretty solid impression of the type of habits successful people engage in and don’t engage in

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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They also permanently banned coke,meth and other drugs since the inception of law, guess how that turned out? "The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated that 8.7% of people aged 16 to 59 years (around 2.9 million people) reported using any drug in the last 12 months for the year ending (YE) March 2025; there was no statistically significant change compared with YE March 2024" I believe limiting people's…

there is also a strong question as to whether smokers are actually a net cost to government or not. They draw decades less old age pension, have decades less medical visits, etc. I am extremely unconvinced that a large cancer related medical cost now has a higher net present value than a stream of government pension payouts, health costs, etc for decades ended with a large medical cost for some other reason. This is…

The net effect of smoking on healthcare and welfare costs. A cohort study. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3533014/ (Finland, 2012)

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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I dont think you can hide with smoking cigarettes almost anywhere, the stink is far too strong, characteristic abd outright repulsive. Also, you normally dont go to jail by using drugs... what a clueless comment

cut up a line of coke at a public place, preferably next to a police officer and see how that works out for you :)

That's possession rather than use, usually being high is not a crime in and of itself.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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I get the apparent logic of phasing cigarettes into unlawfulness over decades. But considering this is so one-sided in terms of curtailing liberty for one generation,[1] it would have been interesting if they also got a privilege that us oldies are cut off from. Just as a perk to offset things. But whatever could that be? Twenty-year 5% discount on vegetables? [1] But this youngest generation also gets the privilege…

> [1] But this youngest generation also gets the privilege of never having easy access to cigarettes.

Being an island, it's probably slightly easier to control smuggling, but if there's money to be made, people will be smuggling in cartons. Anyway, getting an older person to buy cigs isn't difficult, and they're still legal for the majority of the population. I doubt smoking will become immediately attractive, but if the ban sticks around, probably in a decade or so tobacco will be a niche hipster rebellion, then become poser-cool, then totally normalized again.

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