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US Department of Justice has officially reclassified cannabis as less dangerous

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Re: US Department of Justice has officially reclassified cannabis as less dangerous

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Now the next Democrat presidential candidate can't run on "legalize it." Might have to develop real strategy.

It was Biden who initially ordered the reclassification of marijuana to schedule III in 2024: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/08/29/2024-19...

Trump is basically just pushing that order across the finish line.

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This is ultimately a good thing, but as a country we also need to talk about the effects of cannabis use on neurodivergent folks. Its not as harmful as other drugs but also isn't really a good coping mechanism. Especially if you're neurodivergent and deal with depression. What I've seen being in/out of partial hospitalization programs is that people just don't realize that heavy cannabis is actually causing/prolongin…

Just one data point, but I'm neurodivergent, and suffered with depression from childhood. A few years ago I was prescribed medical cannabis to treat chronic pain, and aside from being great for pain - wow, it's changed my life! The right cannabis strains can do wonders for my mood, but it also makes me feel... less autistic, for want of a better way of putting it; suddenly I can understand why somebody said something…

Like with every drug it depends on set setting and dosage.

Personally I get very anxious if I smoke too much (and in the wrong setting); it helps me a lot with other issues if I only consume a small amount occasionally.

Also it matters a lot if I mix it with tobacco (then its a lot harder to consume responsibly).

So I think both you and GP have good points.

And yes its a million times better than alcohol, that stuff is literal poison for body and mind.

Re: US Department of Justice has officially reclassified cannabis as less dangerous

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Unfortunately, you'll never get it to where people aren't going to become addicts to these things. You can only reduce harms by regulation and social support. Gambling is a decent example of where we've lost touch with this in the last decade. In my state, it used to be that if you wanted to play games of pure chance, you had to go to a physical casino, present an ID, and be subject to the rules and regulations of th…

"If you wanted to, you could sign an affidavit that would ban you from the casino floor on the risk of a misdemeanor trespassing charge." Let's help people by criminalizing them so they have a harder time getting a job and all that...

These affidavits aren't used to penalize the individual, they are used to protect the casinos from nuisance lawsuits when they escort the individual off the property. Basically, if you sue claiming assault, you are opening yourself up to a criminal charge. It's an effective deterrent.

A casino doesn't ever need to call the cops to deal with you, they have their own private force.

Re: US Department of Justice has officially reclassified cannabis as less dangerous

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"If you wanted to, you could sign an affidavit that would ban you from the casino floor on the risk of a misdemeanor trespassing charge." Let's help people by criminalizing them so they have a harder time getting a job and all that...

Voluntary precommitment measures like this need some kind of teeth to be effective. The point isn’t incarceration, it’s the ban from the casino. If they can return without consequences then it’s not really a ban. It’s likely that they will be turned away rather than arrested, unless they try to force their way in or sneak in. Remember, this is voluntary . It’s for people with a problem who want to cut themselves off…

The "misdemeanor trespassing" is understood by everyone - basically, you're choosing to be banned, and if you come back the cops will give you a nice little ride to the station and then let you go.

Similar things in the digital world would be the ability to lock your iCloud account so you couldn't download gambling apps, and if you want to be unlocked you have to send a notarized letter to Apple and wait and reply to a confirmation letter. This adds delay and makes it so you can choose "not to be tempted" in your right mind, and when you're desiring "the fix" you can't get it right away.

Re: US Department of Justice has officially reclassified cannabis as less dangerous

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This is ultimately a good thing, but as a country we also need to talk about the effects of cannabis use on neurodivergent folks. Its not as harmful as other drugs but also isn't really a good coping mechanism. Especially if you're neurodivergent and deal with depression. What I've seen being in/out of partial hospitalization programs is that people just don't realize that heavy cannabis is actually causing/prolongin…

Agreed, I don't use it myself but my brother is a heavy user and it's done more harm than good for him.

Re: US Department of Justice has officially reclassified cannabis as less dangerous

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Today's regulations are solely "deregulation". Corporations are racing to maximize exploitation before the deregulation snaps back to reality.

Deregulation is not necessarily a bad thing. Best example of this is NIMBYs in the Bay Area abusing hearings to block affordable housing, or making it as expensive as possible to replace single family homes with denser construction. And all of the passthrough towns between LA and SF who have gummed up the high speed rail in court because the state kneecapped its own eminent domain rights through well-meaning self-reg…

Regulations or the lack thereof aren't good or bad in themselves, but its easy to see why people on all sides of every issue want to make it so; saves them from having to actually argue the merits and demerits.

And nothing is ever simple - the second and third order effects of both regulations and deregulation are hard to know, let alone argue about.

Re: US Department of Justice has officially reclassified cannabis as less dangerous

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I see a lot of people pushing weed as being safer than alcohol. There's a huge difference in the available data for both of these, not to mention the risk gradient of each based on dose and frequency. There are more known risks with alcohol, but it's not an apples to apples comparison based on the data. The final verdict is that neither is a "safe" choice based on the data, even if the risks differ somewhat between t…

Alcohol is one of the more dangerous drugs on most scales, so it's kind of a low bar? The drug to beat would be safer than nicotine probably.

"Alcohol is one of the more dangerous drugs on most scales"

Can you provide those scales?

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Just one data point, but I'm neurodivergent, and suffered with depression from childhood. A few years ago I was prescribed medical cannabis to treat chronic pain, and aside from being great for pain - wow, it's changed my life! The right cannabis strains can do wonders for my mood, but it also makes me feel... less autistic, for want of a better way of putting it; suddenly I can understand why somebody said something…

> Over time, cannabis has also allowed me to analyse and think on the past There is danger in attributing something broad like this directly to drug use. Can you only reflect while high? It may be that the initial psychedelic sessions helped break through some mental/emotional patterns you were suffering from (positive impact), but that continued regular use has an overall negative impact on mental health. That's bee…

I have a very different experience with psychedelics so its very hard to make generalized statements here. Not saying your experience is not valid but these diagnoses should be done by someone who knows the person _very_ well.

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Just one data point, but I'm neurodivergent, and suffered with depression from childhood. A few years ago I was prescribed medical cannabis to treat chronic pain, and aside from being great for pain - wow, it's changed my life! The right cannabis strains can do wonders for my mood, but it also makes me feel... less autistic, for want of a better way of putting it; suddenly I can understand why somebody said something…

> Over time, cannabis has also allowed me to analyse and think on the past There is danger in attributing something broad like this directly to drug use. Can you only reflect while high? It may be that the initial psychedelic sessions helped break through some mental/emotional patterns you were suffering from (positive impact), but that continued regular use has an overall negative impact on mental health. That's bee…

> Can you only reflect while high?

Personally, yes; at least effectively.

> It may be that the initial psychedelic sessions

I had a few experiences with mushrooms in my youth, so I know what you mean - but cannabis isn't psychedelic.

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"If you wanted to, you could sign an affidavit that would ban you from the casino floor on the risk of a misdemeanor trespassing charge." Let's help people by criminalizing them so they have a harder time getting a job and all that...

These affidavits aren't used to penalize the individual, they are used to protect the casinos from nuisance lawsuits when they escort the individual off the property. Basically, if you sue claiming assault, you are opening yourself up to a criminal charge. It's an effective deterrent. A casino doesn't ever need to call the cops to deal with you, they have their own private force.

Getting trespassed from an Indian Casino can technically be an international incident; it happens now and then - the sovereignty of tribal nations is a real thing, even if not what you might expect.
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