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Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/22/science/988-youth-suicide... I bet there is so much more we could do to reduce suicides, which are a massively big problem. I wish we paid as much attention to suicide as we do to very rare mass shootings, which kill a tiny fraction of the people.

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They are, depending on your definition of 'mass':

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47866222

The number of people lost is much higher than from shootings, I'm pretty sure.

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They are, depending on your definition of 'mass': https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47866222 The number of people lost is much higher than from shootings, I'm pretty sure.

You are engaging with a bot with -13 karma:

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mondomondo

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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Personally I never called any such hotline; my assumption was that suicidal thoughts originate from one's own brain and way of thinking - adjust that and these issues would go away. Unfortunately, while this can work (for me it worked extremely well, though I should also say, I don't have suicidal thoughts to begin with, even more so as one's lifespan is finite anyway - but I do understand those who have a terminal i…

This is a fantastically ridiculously comment. > my assumption was that suicidal thoughts originate from one's own brain and way of thinking - adjust that and these issues would go away. Unfortunately, while this can work (for me it worked extremely well, though I should also say, I don't have suicidal thoughts to begin with You're, in this comment and the part I quoted, saying that adjusting your thinking worked well…

> but you say you don't have the problem

I think it's very clear stated that they HAD the problem, but were able to work through it, resulting them in not HAVING the problem.

So, it's more like they broke their leg, it healed, and now they no longer have a broken leg.

edit: I am dumb.

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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This is a fantastically ridiculously comment. > my assumption was that suicidal thoughts originate from one's own brain and way of thinking - adjust that and these issues would go away. Unfortunately, while this can work (for me it worked extremely well, though I should also say, I don't have suicidal thoughts to begin with You're, in this comment and the part I quoted, saying that adjusting your thinking worked well…

> but you say you don't have the problem I think it's very clear stated that they HAD the problem, but were able to work through it, resulting them in not HAVING the problem. So, it's more like they broke their leg, it healed, and now they no longer have a broken leg. edit: I am dumb.

> I think it's very clear stated that they HAD the problem, but were able to work through it, resulting them in not HAVING the problem.

From their comment:

>> though I should also say, I don't have suicidal thoughts to begin with

How, from that, can you possibly get to the idea that they ever had suicidal thoughts? It's certainly not "clear stated" that they had the problem of suicidal thoughts.

The comment I responded to is a nonsense comment. They say they solved the problem of suicidal thoughts by adapting the way they think and also say that they never had suicidal thoughts to begin with.

It is possible that they're just a terrible communicator, but, again, nothing is "clear stated" about them having had suicidal thoughts.

Re: Youth Suicides Declined After Creation of National Hotline

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About a year ago: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trump-shuts-down-lg... > The Trump administration on Thursday afternoon officially terminated the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline’s LGBTQ Youth Specialized Services program, which gave callers under age 25 the option to speak with LGBTQ-trained counselors. As with the USAID cuts, this killed people.

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Specialization is useful in pretty much all human endeavors. It would be extremely strange if this was an exception.

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I don’t see how. Have you ever tried calling one of these lines in a suicide emergency? Things I’ve learned in California: - an ambulance will not be dispatched unless you physically witness someone trying to kill themselves - otherwise, they send the police - the police arrive without training and severely escalate the situation - the person having an emergency will be taken into custody and stripped of rights until…

A fact I've noticed is that suicide rates are higher in areas with lower population density. For example, Alaska's suicide rate is 4x what New York's rate is. Perhaps just human connection, even momentarily, is enough to break the pattern of behavior that has lead to the ideation. Also worth noting that suicide rates among the elderly are higher than they are for anyone other than teens. If you have someone you love…

The more likely explanation is guns. Gun ownership tends to be higher in rural areas because of a mixture of culture, politics, utility and laws. Only 14% of adults in New York State have guns compared to 59% in Alaska. Having a quick, easy and painless way to end your life right on your nightstand makes it a lot more likely that a bolt of suicidal urges turn into action.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/gun-ownership.html

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https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/data.html the data from CDC agrees with you, and agrees that a firearm is most common method. but also indicates age correlate with freq of suicde by firearm. guess who the least frequent group is, kids. now that might fly in the face of stats, but suicide is an "intentional" thing. [that rides on the idea that you are competent to form intent when suicidal] so yes if you keep your g…

> however take at least as much care for your grandparents, they are apparently at extreme risk, of forming intent and, acting especially grandpa. What if allowing suicide is taking care of one's grandparents? After all, if I was diagnosed with a awful condition like Alzheimer's, ALS, etc.. I am absolutely going out that way once I start having more bad days than good days.

That’s why we have laws protecting end of life rights in Oregon - which are much preferred over millions of firearms in the hands of ‘rEsPoNsIbLe gun oWnErS’, impulsive and impaired decision making, and someone walking into a traumatic mess coming back home.

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> but you say you don't have the problem I think it's very clear stated that they HAD the problem, but were able to work through it, resulting them in not HAVING the problem. So, it's more like they broke their leg, it healed, and now they no longer have a broken leg. edit: I am dumb.

> I think it's very clear stated that they HAD the problem, but were able to work through it, resulting them in not HAVING the problem. From their comment: >> though I should also say, I don't have suicidal thoughts to begin with How, from that, can you possibly get to the idea that they ever had suicidal thoughts? It's certainly not "clear stated" that they had the problem of suicidal thoughts. The comment I respond…

I re-read their comment. You are correct.

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One sad fact I learned about adolescent suicide (12 to 18 years of age) is that it's seasonal. It picks up during the school year and drops precipitously during summer and winter vacations. Being in school has a profound impact on whether or not a child wants to kill themselves. http://basilhalperin.com/essays/school-and-teen-suicide.html

Adults put teenagers together and some of them get miserable. The adults’ response: oh lament the teenage woes, what is to be done. We are just adults with all the power on our side.

I get the feeling that modern Western society and institutions are woefully maladjusted for those particular years.

Those teenage moodswings are somewhat like upvoting/downvoting on HN.

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A while ago I was seriously sick + in a hospital (for a few months). The doctors told me that I won't be able to resume my regular job (software engineer). At the same time I was in a lot of pain – unable to sit, walk, stand. It was not really clear how it all would end. I got deeply depressed and just wanted to die. The pain was just too much - even with controlled pain medication in a hospital setup. I called the G…

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