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FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by tarsinge »

platinumrad wrote: post #53
xbar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deaths and mysterious deaths are not at all the same. Mysterious deaths and vanishings become increasingly rare the higher up the socio-economic curve you climb. It is not surprising that the FBI did not detect an actual pattern before now, considering the various ways that the entirety of it spent the entirety of 2025.

Dying while experiencing nature is "mysterious" but also not uncommon among upper-middle class people. I would bet that the average victim of a backpacking or cross-country skiing mishap is wealthier than average.

But that's not how "mysterious" is used here. These scientists did not meet their end during an obvious outdoor activity.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by poulpy123 »

nickandbro wrote: post #19

A lot of people are saying it’s disconnected, but even if it was, if a string of your country’s top rocket experts started disappearing, you wouldn’t just sit idly by

I'm not sure what you could do, you didn't even notice there was only one rocket scientist in the list.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by poulpy123 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #49
pj_mukh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be nothing, or could be a new Havana Syndrome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome What's sad is, 5-10 years ago, no adversary would think simply off-ing American scientists was effective strategy, America was a new scientist generation machine . Now thanks to Research funding falling off a cliff and massive immigration restrictions, this is no longer true.

Amy Eskridge - who publicly stated she was not suicidal before "committing suicide" reported to her friends that she received burns to her arms and hands through her window in an attack that sounded similar to this microwave/havana syndrome stuff. She was very vocal about the fact that she was being harassed over her work before she died.

She was also very visibly delusional for years

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by mc32 »

willis936 wrote: post #72
pj_mukh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be nothing, or could be a new Havana Syndrome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome What's sad is, 5-10 years ago, no adversary would think simply off-ing American scientists was effective strategy, America was a new scientist generation machine . Now thanks to Research funding falling off a cliff and massive immigration restrictions, this is no longer true.

Havana Syndrome seems to be a CIA psyop to soften the US public to warhawk policy. The proposed mechanism is... magic. Incredible stuff.

It’s been going on since the Obama admin. Could be longer. Purportedly a unit was smuggled out of some former Soviet republic and we now have a copy of the actual device. When tested on animals, the device produced injuries in alignment with those experienced by US foreign service personnel.

It’s been a great source of fodder for conspiracy theorists though.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by anthk »

lyu07282 wrote: post #67
anthk wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel just lobbies with money, it's far more effective.

They assassinate truckloads of people all the time too though, Mossad operations in the west are usually not even investigated or reported by western media, they just quietly release agents back to Israel if they ever accidentally caught them. Some info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_espionage_in_the_Unite...

Given the '72 events at the Olympics, that's reasonable. Altough their colonialism, para-Nazism (Zionism) with tons of school brainwashing and the IDF war crimes are on par on the Islamic fundamentalism sickos with madrassas and the like. Different shades from the same turd.

Edit:, in '72, Munich attacks.

While everyone in the Mediterranean was trading, sharing and mating each other (especially under the Roman empire) boosting commerce, sales and culture -relatively speaking to what you could find in a tribe-, these backwards shepherds (both sides) want to bring the world back to the Bronze Age.

Gnostics at least got it better, as Arrians.

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by poulpy123 »

11 disappearances over 4 years and 4 states :

- 1 rocket scientist lost while hiking - 1 astrophysicist killed at home by someone arrested a few months before at his home with a gun - 1 physicist in another field killed without cause of death made public - 1 engineer in instrumentation killed also without the cause made public - 1 schizophrenic crank woman died by suicide - 1 plasma and nuclear scientist killed at home by a jealous former classmate who went just after on a mass killings spree - 1 pharmatical scientist found in a lake after missing - 1 military executive who left with only his gun and disappeared - 1 administrative employee walked from home and disappeared after leaving her car and personal phone behind - 1 decade year old retiree from the same laboratory who did the same - 1 property custodian from a totally different place also left with a gun and disappeared

Totally aliens https://img.astroawani.com/2014-03/51395638721_freesize.jpg

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by poulpy123 »

deathlight wrote: post #16
wmf wrote: post #9

I don't have the link but someone estimated the number of scientists working in the defense field (it's a lot) and the number of deaths per year you'd expect (over 100). There's probably nothing here. It probably doesn't hurt to have the FBI take a second look at any death of somebody who has a security clearance or is working on export-controlled tech, but OTOH that might be a lot of work.

So are you saying that each of these "experts" is not an actual top of field expert but merely one of hundreds of expert cogs (per field!) in a giant machine so vast that of course some of them will crashout, be kidnapped, blackmailed, die outright, agree to a global government psyop, etc? But that's so much less fun, especially when you consider the espionage angle.

Not even expert cogs, only 6 of the 11 are scientists or engineers

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by poulpy123 »

kelnos wrote: post #45

Of those who are missing and not dead, I wonder if they are largely not US citizens, or citizens who have strong/stronger ties outside the US. It would not surprise me if people like that have decided to take their talents elsewhere, given the current state of anti-intellectualism in the US.

I don't think that the one who left by foot with a gun without money or phone planed to go abroad

Re: FBI looks into dead or missing scientists tied to NASA, Blue Origin, SpaceX

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Post by snowwrestler »

mmooss wrote: post #12

The article doesn't seem to reveal the source of its information about these alleged disappearances. Is it the letters from the members of Congress? Also, what interest would a foreign power have in planetary defense against asteroids? Is there some dual-use technology in that?

“Planetary defense” is a fig leaf covering the development of technologies to intercept and destroy ballistic missiles above the atmosphere.

The belief is that the first country to have this reliably at scale breaks the “mutually assured destruction” paradigm that has governed nuclear weapons policy for decades. If the U.S. can send nuclear ballistic missiles, but can’t be hit by nuclear missiles, what stops them from just nuking anyone who disagrees with them?

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