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The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

cess11 wrote: post #68
cucumber3732842 wrote: post #56

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So work for free? Who would invest in facilities, develop workforces, etc, without a payoff?

How does China approach this?

They finance projects with terms that drive business to Chinese companies. The Congo gets a highway. A Chinese construction company makes a buck. The financiers make a buck. Business relationships are created and the people who get the highway use that highway to import Chinese goods.

That's how it's supposed to work, when it works. I'm sure it's gotten better with time.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/486/992/0f8...

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by nradov »

tovej wrote: post #53
WarmWash wrote: post #8

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And you will be held as responsible for exploiting the country if you do actually manage to end the conflict and bring about positive economic change. People don't understand that it takes generations to train a populace to work in a functioning economy. Sudan would probably need 25 years of colonization before you had competent Sudanese to run all parts of a modern economy. You can't just go in, stop the fighting, a…

Are you under the impression that Sudan was not under British colonial rule for ~50-60 years? This completely wrecked their economy and political structures, with the British intentionally causing divides between ethnic groups in Sudan and Egypt. And are you seriously claiming that this was a good thing? Is this some crazy new neo-conservative take about the West being the only block that can be "civilized"?

Let's say that all of the problems in Sudan are the fault of British colonialism. (I don't think that's completely correct but just for the sake of argument.) The British are gone and not coming back in any significant numbers. Now what? What is the solution?

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by newspaper1 »

boxed wrote: post #60
ahhhhnoooo wrote: post #43

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Right, it's not constrained to Gaza. The genocide against Palestinian people is occurring across the nation of Israel.

Palestinian muslim arabs are 20% of Israels population. Remind me how many percent of Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, are Jewish? This is the worst genocide ever. They even have representation in Knesset. They serve in the IDF.

Palestinians,Lebanese and Iranians (of all religions) represent 100% of the victims of Israel’s genocide.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by newspaper1 »

boxed wrote: post #45
4gotunameagain wrote: post #7

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In the Spanish colonies they speak Spanish. In the Portuguese colonies they speak Portuguese. In the __BLANK__ colonies they speak Hewbrew. Fill in the blank.

Ashkenazi, and only because they made a dedicated effort to switch from their native Yiddish to build the colonization narrative.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by ahhhhnoooo »

Is anyone stopping any of the genocides around the world? Governments and citizenry are engaged in many attempts to wholly eradicate cultures and minorities. Sometimes fast, like Israel attempting to eradicate Palestinians. Sometimes they are slow, like the barriers put into place against indigenous communities after generations of genocide against them.

It's not new either. Sudan, Uyghers, Rohingya, Yazidi, Armenians, Hutus, Tutsi, Bengalis, Cambodians. The world has stood by and not intervened in many of these. Heck, Palantir just posted that they believe some cultures should be eliminated in the United States.

It's grim out there.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by lostlogin »

hollywood_court wrote: post #20
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

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What made the Israel-Palestine conflict profitable for influencers (initially on both sides, I’d guess mostly on the pro-Palestinian side now) before the Iran War that doesn’t apply to Sudan?

Our (the US) current leadership is beholden to Israel.

‘Beholden’ might be the wrong work, but Netanyahu sure played this administration. It’s astonishing how easily he got his way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-wa...

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by jahnu »

lostlogin wrote: post #54
dwa3592 wrote: post #16

This is heartbreaking. Is there a place where I can donate? Will it help in anyway? Edit: Thank you for your responses. Ended up donating to Doctors without borders. Hope it reaches someone. I was going to say humans are really just wild animals but then i thought that would be a disrespect to wild animals.

My neighbour who is a nurse did stints there while working for the International Red Cross, it was either 3 or 6 months. https://www.icrc.org/en/where-we-work/sudan

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) are also there

https://www.msf.org/conflict-sudan?page=0

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by b450 »

goodcanadian wrote: post #37

I feel like I have seen better analysis of this elsewhere. In a nutshell, it is not simply a civil war. Regional actors are involved as a proxy war: Saudi Arabia against the UAE, for example (who are also having a proxy war in Yemen). And Egypt against Ethiopia. The wikipedia article covers some of the complexity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80... EDIT: This is what I am thinking of: htt…

There is a section of the article covering precisely this, headed "The external actors: arms to both sides"

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by ahhhhnoooo »

therobots927 wrote: post #62
lostlogin wrote: post #57

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Can any downvoters explain the downvotes?

My comments always get downvoted. HN has more duplicate accounts / bot activity than you would think and they’re primarily used for sentiment suppression. Specifically anti imperialist / anti capitalist sentiment.

Anti imperialist and anti capitalist sentiment gets downvoted here without a doubt. I think the idea that it's bots and not, say, a community that has self selected mostly into people who are pro imperialist and pro capitalist is perhaps an extraordinary claim.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by SadTrombone »

csense wrote: post #47

Let's be honest. If someone did send in the troops to restore order, people would be screaming "How dare you invade a sovereign country" or "You're only doing this because you want oil" or "The President wants to make Sudan the 51st state" or "You're wasting money and soldiers' lives messing around in a place most of us can't even put on a map" or "You're just doing whatever the Jews tell you to do."

There are other countries and coalitions in the world that aren't the United States. Humanity fought and ended wars for thousands of years before the United States ever existed.
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