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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by lynx97 »

bandrami wrote: post #85
victorbjorklund wrote: post #43

Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

I see the current situation as a plus. I get SOTA models for dumping prices. And once the public providers go up with their pricing, I will be able to switch to local AI because open models have improved so much.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by kilroy123 »

mlitwiniuk wrote: post #55

This is a perfect example of how quickly you can burn through trust that took a long time to earn. I used to be - in my small circle of friends and peers - a genuine advocate for Anthropic and Claude. It was my sole AI assistant for over a year. But somewhere around February/March, something shifted. Declining quality, policy changes, inconsistent output. Nothing dramatic, just... a slow erosion. That erosion pushed…

Same here. I've been on the Claude Max 20x plan for a while. Now I'm really giving codex a try and looking at the cheaper models as well.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bandrami »

carefree-bob wrote: post #86
bandrami wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

I think this has to be done with technological advances that makes things cheaper, not charging more. I understand why they have to charge more, but not many are gonna be able to afford even $100 a month, and that doesn't seem to be sufficient. It has to come with some combination of better algorithms or better hardware.

Making it more affordable would be very bad news for Amazon, who are now counting on $100B in new spending from OpenAI over the next 10 years.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by philipwhiuk »

bandrami wrote: post #94
carefree-bob wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this has to be done with technological advances that makes things cheaper, not charging more. I understand why they have to charge more, but not many are gonna be able to afford even $100 a month, and that doesn't seem to be sufficient. It has to come with some combination of better algorithms or better hardware.

Making it more affordable would be very bad news for Amazon, who are now counting on $100B in new spending from OpenAI over the next 10 years.

Someone's going to get burned here that's for sure. This isn't going to end with every person on the planet paying $100 a month for an LLM.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by throwthrowuknow »

bandrami wrote: post #94
carefree-bob wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this has to be done with technological advances that makes things cheaper, not charging more. I understand why they have to charge more, but not many are gonna be able to afford even $100 a month, and that doesn't seem to be sufficient. It has to come with some combination of better algorithms or better hardware.

Making it more affordable would be very bad news for Amazon, who are now counting on $100B in new spending from OpenAI over the next 10 years.

Somethings not adding up. Why is Amazon making financial plans for the next decade based on continued OpenAI spending but you’re saying AI providers like OpenAI and Anthropic aren’t even close to being profitable, so how can they last a decade or more?

Who’s wrong?

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

1una wrote: post #18

Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396

This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by baq »

sofixa wrote: post #71
baq wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$20B ARR or so reported added in Q1 doesn’t sound particularly bad, they’ll raise effective prices some more while Claude diffuses into the economy, sounds like a money printer. The issue is they’re compute constrained on the supply side to grow faster…

> $20B ARR or so reported added in Q1 doesn’t sound particularly bad Unless you compare with the reported cash burn or projected losses. > they’ll raise effective prices some more while Claude diffuses into the economy, sounds like a money printer But the problem is, they have no moat. Even if Claude diffuses into the economy (still to be seen how much it can effectively penetrate sectors other than engineering, spam…

> But the problem is, they have no moat

I disagree very strongly with this, both anecdotally and in the data - subscriptions are growing in all frontier providers; anecdata is right here in HN when you look around almost everyone is talking about CC, codex is a distant second, and completely anecdotally I personally strictly prefer GPT 5.3+ models for backend work and Opus for frontend; Gemini reviews everything that touches concurrency or SQL and finds issues the other models miss.

My general opinion is that models cannot be replaceable, because a model which can replace every other provider must excel at everything all specialist models excel at and that is impossible to serve at scale economically. IOW everyone will have at least two subscriptions to different frontier labs and more likely three.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by piazz »

stingraycharles wrote: post #88
filleokus wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either me or you are misunderstanding the situation. A comment from the GP link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633867 > This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code. > OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and t…

If Openclaw was still using Claude Code as the harness, I don't know how to reconcile that with "Openclaw is based on the pi framework", which is decidedly NOT claude code. From what I understand, they still had the Claude Code harness available , but were mostly fully integrated on the pi agent framework, using Claude Code's oauth credentials directly,

Openclaw allows you to effectively “shell out” to another harness for your model calls, while still using Pi as your main agentic harness. This is the claude -p workflow. Tools and skills are injected into Claude and they hack session persistence into it as well.

They also absolutely blocked OpenClaw system prompts from this path in the prior weeks, based purely on keyword detection. Seems they’ve undone that now.

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