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Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by mysterydip »

daheza wrote: post #63
dgrin91 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electricity I don't know how you could deliver ads through, but if someone could think of a way I bet they would. If everyone knew Morris code I bet they would make the lights flicker in Morris code for a discount. Modern cars with connected infotainment systems are always trying to upsell you Washing machines I dont know of anything at the moment, but I wouldnt count it out. Smartphones/watches? Aren't those just ad…

Alright let me put on my evil corpo hat. Wait it was already on. Headphones that inject ads is a great idea but we need to make that a better proposition. Lets say that these headphones have an AI integration which parses all sound and converts it to text, then we can run it through our AI to give helpful comments. We may even wait until no sound is playing to inject them (for now). We can add ads later once it becom…

Also more subtly, we can detect what music is playing and “slightly modify” the tunes of bands not part of a label owned by a Trusted Partner to sound worse.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by bakugo »

lexoj wrote: post #52
bakugo wrote: post #36

On one hand, I hate how much of a hype-driven commercial product Laravel is, and how many novice developers learn bad practices from its awful architecture. On the other hand, this "problem" only affects vibe coders who weren't writing any code themselves anyway, so I say let them suffer.

I don’t do laravel but which bad practices are you referring to?

The prime example I'll always reach for is the fact that it makes use of PHP classes to represent database entities, but not really - the """classes""" don't actually declare any of their properties, it's all dynamically injected at runtime from the database columns. You need a Laravel-specific IDE plugin just to get basic code completion and static analysis.

And yeah, there's also facades.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by kstrauser »

satvikpendem wrote: post #50
boothby wrote: post #32

When the early adopters start pushing neural implants they'll be ad-free. Not long after your boss insists that everybody needs neural implants for the sake of productivity, they'll be ad-supported but moneyed developers will be able to opt out. The terms of the ad-free service will continue shifting, so nothing is ever really ad-free for long, and ads for better neural implants are promotions not ads right? But y'al…

And this is how it'll look like: https://vimeo.com/166807261

I love and hate that movie.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by bakugo »

lpapez wrote: post #82
bakugo wrote: post #36

On one hand, I hate how much of a hype-driven commercial product Laravel is, and how many novice developers learn bad practices from its awful architecture. On the other hand, this "problem" only affects vibe coders who weren't writing any code themselves anyway, so I say let them suffer.

>hype-driven commercial product >single-handedly keeping PHP relevant While architecture astronauts are clutching pearls, I've built multiple profitable products with Laravel without caring the slighest about the internals, both before and after AI. PHP was always all about just building stuff while ignoring code quality. Laravel is a natural extension of that approach. Let us live.

No, Symfony is singlehandedly keeping PHP relevant, to the point that every other framework depends on its packages, Laravel included.

Most people like you who don't care about code quality and want to "just build" another B2B SaaS unmaintainable pile of spaghetti are now purely relying on AI and not writing any code themselves anymore, so why use PHP at all instead of JS like all the other vibe coders?

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by aculver »

Taylor's response to a similar thread on Reddit[1]:

Hey all! Kinda surprised this has "taken off" haha

It has nothing to do with raising money. It has everything to do with the fact that based on the data we have, there is a large increase in the number of people trying Laravel who haven't coded before or are getting deeper into web development for the first time. That is a good thing!

The previous guidelines would have potentially directed them to configure Nginx or FrankenPHP manually, and while that is certainly possible for experienced devs, it's not the path to success for someone new to the framework.

We want them to be able to get their projects online as smoothly as possible, so that hopefully they become a long-lasting member of our awesome community.

It is no secret that PHP has a "pipeline problem". If you look at the year-over-year data from GitHub, PHP developers only grew 5%, JavaScript + TypeScript grew almost 90%. We have to get more people into our community and enjoying what's possible here. Previously, learning PHP from scratch was a barrier, now, thanks to AI, it's not. This is a unique opportunity to dramatically expand who can bring their ideas to life using Laravel.

In fact, I already have friends in "real life" who are building Laravel apps. They have never coded before.

Does that mean Laravel is going to just cater to "vibe coders"? Absolutely not. We're still building deeply technical features and content for experienced devs who are operating at high scale. But, it is existentially important to the health of the ecosystem and PHP itself that we do a good job getting people up and running on Laravel. They aren't going to know as much as you guys - even Forge can be overwhelming to them. Cloud gives them a simple on-ramp to production that doesn't require much technical knowledge. This is there to facilitate that.

That being said, we've moved this guideline to a "deployment" guideline folder so it's easy to disable or modify or remove to have your own deployment recommendations built right into your Boost install. And, of course, Boost itself is not included with Laravel by default.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/laravel/comments/1sn70d7/laravel_ad...

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by lpapez »

bakugo wrote: post #94
lpapez wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>hype-driven commercial product >single-handedly keeping PHP relevant While architecture astronauts are clutching pearls, I've built multiple profitable products with Laravel without caring the slighest about the internals, both before and after AI. PHP was always all about just building stuff while ignoring code quality. Laravel is a natural extension of that approach. Let us live.

No, Symfony is singlehandedly keeping PHP relevant, to the point that every other framework depends on its packages, Laravel included. Most people like you who don't care about code quality and want to "just build" another B2B SaaS unmaintainable pile of spaghetti are now purely relying on AI and not writing any code themselves anymore, so why use PHP at all instead of JS like all the other vibe coders?

> so why use PHP at all instead of JS like all the other vibe coders?

Because there is nothing remotely close to Laravel for JS. I don't want to think about auth, job queues, mailing, cache layers, auditing etc. I want an opinionated default from my framework that is thoroughly documented and part of the AI training corpus. Laravel gives that to me.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

boothby wrote: post #32

When the early adopters start pushing neural implants they'll be ad-free. Not long after your boss insists that everybody needs neural implants for the sake of productivity, they'll be ad-supported but moneyed developers will be able to opt out. The terms of the ad-free service will continue shifting, so nothing is ever really ad-free for long, and ads for better neural implants are promotions not ads right? But y'al…

There’s a black mirror episode about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

ivraatiems wrote: post #53
boothby wrote: post #32

When the early adopters start pushing neural implants they'll be ad-free. Not long after your boss insists that everybody needs neural implants for the sake of productivity, they'll be ad-supported but moneyed developers will be able to opt out. The terms of the ad-free service will continue shifting, so nothing is ever really ad-free for long, and ads for better neural implants are promotions not ads right? But y'al…

I think this was the plot of a Black Mirror episode?

Yep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by neosmalt »

Taylor's explanation makes sense on its face, but it sets a precedent that's hard to walk back: the LLM context window is now a monetizable surface. Once that's normalized, "here's a recommended package" and "here's a sponsored package" become very hard to distinguish — especially when the AI is the one deciding which to surface. The real concern isn't this specific case, it's that every tool vendor with an MCP server now has a business reason to do the same thing.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by rglullis »

shevy-java wrote: post #5

We need ublock origin EVERYWHERE. I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left reddit due to the censorship. KDE changed a lot and Nate asked for donations via a daemon. I pointed out that we now need to undo pester-ads added by KDE developers. Lo and behold, I was cancelled on #kde reddit. I still think we need something like ublock origin but for EVERYTHING, not just the browser. ublock origin i…

Great. Let's remove all ads and end up all and any form of subdized work. Now, tell me how much you will be contributing to KDE?
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