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AI-assisted cognition endangers human development?

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Re: AI-assisted cognition endangers human development?

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Oh no, not that tired thing again. I suppose your point is: people once were critical of the technology of writing, so all criticism of the technology-at-hand is illegitimate. You don't actually make a point, so one has to assume. Some points: 1. Technological inventions are not repetitions of the same phenomenon. Each invention is its own unique event, you cannot generalize the experience with previous inventions to…

1. You can't understand the nuances, but there is a general pattern: new inventions may make us slightly less proficient at specifics, yet more powerful overall 2. Imagine a hunter gatherer is time travelled to 2026. You have lunch go to a cafe with him, and he learns that food is cheap, delicious, and abundant. He sees your house, and thinks it's amazing compared to his cave. He thinks that 2026 must be absolute par…

The hunter-gatherer will wonder why you spend so much time working. He only spends 2-3 hours a day gathering and preparing food, maybe an hour maintaining tools and shelter; with the rest dedicated to leisure and social activities.

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This was a bit word-salad-y but I share the same basic concern. I think more I worry about the tendency toward greater and greater cognitive off-loading to LLMs. My sister told me a story the other day about how she caught her plumber using chatgpt on his phone to fix an issue with her bathroom. I just think it's good for humans to know how to do stuff.

Did she also catch him with a wrench?

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The issue here is that the sister could have used ChatGPT herself, so why bother hiring the plumber. The plumber has provided less value than was expected. But make no mistake: the value the sister was looking for was to have someone else deal with it, and there's a price that the sister was willing to pay for the service of having someone else deal with it. In the comments of this HN post, there is a dead comment fr…

This is assuming that ChatGPT had everything needed to do the work. If the plumber was asking specific questions, based on their previous experience and knowledge about what needed to be done, the sister might not have been able to get the same result from her use of ChatGPT that the plumber received. Experts look things up all the time, because no one can hold all the knowledge of a field in their head. Being an exp…

Yes, this is why I mentioned comparative advantage.

Re: AI-assisted cognition endangers human development?

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Sure, but.. I've been coding for 40 years and I don't know everything. To me, a LOT depends on what the plumber asked chatgpt about. For example: building codes in that city, to figure out what his options are - like, is he allowed to just put in any old toilet, or is there a gpf restriction? What's the replacement part number for faucet XYZ's gasket? Those seem reasonable. "how do I fix a clogged toilet?" would be b…

>like, is he allowed to just put in any old toilet, or is there a gpf restriction? And if the LLM gets that wrong? It's his job to know the codes or how to go to a reliable resource to find out the correct codes.

Maybe he just needs a reminder and he’ll have an oh yeah moment when he reads the output maybe he’ll ask it for primary sources. There’s a lot of bad faith going around.

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At the Egyptian city of Naucratis, there was a famous old god, whose name was Theuth; the bird which is called the Ibis is sacred to him, and he was the inventor of many arts, such as arithmetic and calculation and geometry and astronomy and draughts and dice, but his great discovery was the use of letters. Now in those days the god Thamus was the king of the whole country of Egypt; and he dwelt in that great city of…

(From Socrates’ dialog with Phaedrus) https://classics.mit.edu/Plato/phaedrus.html#:~:text=there%2...

> Phaedrus: Yes, Socrates, you can easily invent tales of Egypt, or of any other country.

Looks like even back then, they went "cool story bro" on that text...

Re: AI-assisted cognition endangers human development?

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Calculators endanger the development of mental arithmetic skills as well.

Right, which is why people make bad money decisions in everyday scenarios. People don't pull out their calculator at the grocery store, but they also never had to get good at doing simple math in their head due to the calculator.

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At the Egyptian city of Naucratis, there was a famous old god, whose name was Theuth; the bird which is called the Ibis is sacred to him, and he was the inventor of many arts, such as arithmetic and calculation and geometry and astronomy and draughts and dice, but his great discovery was the use of letters. Now in those days the god Thamus was the king of the whole country of Egypt; and he dwelt in that great city of…

> they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the reality.

This could be describing an internet argument where both parties google for expert articles that seem to support their point of view without really understanding anything about the subject.

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> In early 2026, the USA prepared to invade Greenland and, therefore, the EU4. Only a few months prior to that it was completely unthinkable that the USA would even think about threatening an invasion of Greenland. As AI base models are stuck in the past, they do not easily accept these events as real and often label them as “hypothetical”, “fake news”, or “impossible”. This also affects new models like Gemini 3 Pro,…

A few years ago, someone blow up a pipeline in eu. Before thwt some people lied about medical stuff.

AI is just current scapegoat.

Re: AI-assisted cognition endangers human development?

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One of my "let's try out this vibecoding thing" toy projects was a custom programming language. At the time, I felt like it was my design, which I iterated on through collaborative conversations with Claude. Then I saw someone's Show HN post for their own vibecoded programming language project, and many of the feature bullet points were the same. Maybe it was partly coincidence (all modern PLs have a fair bit of over…

Thats the thing about a normalization system, it is going to normalize outputs because its not built to output uniqueness, its to winnow uniqueness to a baseline. That is good in some instances, assuming that baseline is correct, but it also closes the aperture of human expression.

I agree in a "the purpose of a system is what it does" sense but I'm not sure they're inherently normalization systems.
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