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Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by fortyseven »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #33
trollbridge wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... so let me understand this. It is frequently said that programming directly is obsolete, and the skill you must have now is knowing how to operate agentic AIs. Yet you aren't allowed to do this until you're 18. So, developing software is now 18+ only?

Qwen3 runs locally on reasonable hardware, and is comparable to a mid-2025 Claude Sonnet (albeit possibly rather slower) . Local models are chasing the online frontier models pretty hard. So worst case, that's the fallback (FWIW, YMMV) edit: Qwen-3.5 MoE (and other local MoE models like it)

Give Gemma4 a look, too. I've had terrific results with that and OpenCode locally.

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by paradox242 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #79
llm_nerd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said anything about "vibe coding"? Using coding tools like Claude Code as just another tool in the belt is something the overwhelming bulk of professional devs do now (and given that my son managed to find a number of clients paying for his work, he qualifies as professional). Pejorative "vibe coding" nonsense doesn't change this.

Call it whatever you want then, I'm still interested in the question at hand – your son makes more money than you do professionally, using Claude Code to make something video game related?

Almost certainly referring to cheating software.

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by [deleted] »

paradox242 wrote: post #92
nozzlegear wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call it whatever you want then, I'm still interested in the question at hand – your son makes more money than you do professionally, using Claude Code to make something video game related?

Almost certainly referring to cheating software.

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Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by guzfip »

paradox242 wrote: post #92
nozzlegear wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call it whatever you want then, I'm still interested in the question at hand – your son makes more money than you do professionally, using Claude Code to make something video game related?

Almost certainly referring to cheating software.

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Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by paradox242 »

sn0wleppard wrote: post #46
square_usual wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is frequently said that programming directly is obsolete Who says this?

The CEO of the company in question with the age limit, for one

I would hope most people can recognize that someone trying to sell you something might be among the least trustworthy sources about that thing.

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by 3s »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #27

This is highly problematic. I may consider showing my ID to a company I already have a business relationship with; given demonstrable legal obligations, contractual necessities, legitimate interests etc . Eg the standard GDPR list. I do have an existing business relationship with Anthropic, so I might under some circumstances decide to show them my id. I don't have a business relationship with Persona though. I under…

But they already have PII on nearly all users. Many user upload documents with their name, or pictures of themselves, or have a chat where home addresses are involved. All of this is information anthropic already has on their users (voluntarily provided via chats or via api) and is equivalent to what Persona gets via their verification - it’s just more convenient to use a third party SaaS product for this than vibe coding their own identity verification platform I guess

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

3s wrote: post #98
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #27

This is highly problematic. I may consider showing my ID to a company I already have a business relationship with; given demonstrable legal obligations, contractual necessities, legitimate interests etc . Eg the standard GDPR list. I do have an existing business relationship with Anthropic, so I might under some circumstances decide to show them my id. I don't have a business relationship with Persona though. I under…

But they already have PII on nearly all users. Many user upload documents with their name, or pictures of themselves, or have a chat where home addresses are involved. All of this is information anthropic already has on their users (voluntarily provided via chats or via api) and is equivalent to what Persona gets via their verification - it’s just more convenient to use a third party SaaS product for this than vibe c…

This might be conflating two things. What data exists somewhere, and how many different independent parties hold it. It's not the same risk.

Put this way: I sort of already trust Anthropic with some of my PII. And that's ... maybe not ok actually. But it's a single failure surface.

But that's definitely not the same thing as trusting Anthropic, AND Persona AND All Persona's partners AND their Partners ad infinitum.

And let's say Persona is actually ok; who knows, they might be? But it's still an extra surface; and if they share again, that's another extra surface again.

It's fairly common sense blast radius minimization. This is part of the actual theory behind GDPR.

"We already seem to accidentally be leaking some data through channel A" , doesn't mean it's a good idea to open channels B-Z as well. It means you might want to tighten down that channel A.

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Post by basisword »

alistairmayo wrote: post #88
llm_nerd wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a few days ago, on Friday, my 15 year old son had his Claude account suspended with a demand for ID to prove he is 18 or older. He had his own Claude Max subscription (he out-earns me fairly frequently in his circle of gaming programmers), and was unaware Anthropic had a must-be-18 rule, as was I. Their email said "Our team found signals that your account was used by a child. This breaks our rules, so we paused…

Yeah. I do not get the 18-years-old age gate. It's not like they're protecting anyone. AI is available so freely now anyone who wants it can get it. Anthropic made the best models by hiring non-technical folks like philosophers to build the best training sets and evaluations. Now, it seems like their philosophers are telling people how they can and can't use their model.

Liability. OpenAI have had several court cases now I believe where children killed themselves after interacting with ChatGPT. Less liability if the user is an adult.
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