Literaly old man yells at cloud.
Fuck the cloud (2009)
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Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is your Unraid free and unlimited then? Funny argument, indeed. I'm amazed at the number of people jumping out here to insist that people don't use or value cloud storage because of the existance of one or thirty or whatever kludgey manual solutions. I mean, I know you can store stuff manually. I still have all that junk too! It's fun. But I don't recommend it to friends or coworkers or family or anyone else because.…
I'm grandfathered to get unlimited updates, though if they rugpull on that the drives are just formatted as XFS. It'd be a hassle to move to something like TrueNAS, but I could do it even if the OS stopped working. Even if Lime Technology completely disappear one day and make every Unraid USB stick self destruct, I'll still have physical access to the data. Cloud services, like everything else in control of rent seek…
> You didn't frame your initial post around the market of grandmas, your rhetoric was targeted to those reading your post; "How much of your personal data", "do you still have your email".
Uh... that's wildly and seemingly deliberately mischaracterizing what I wrote. Seriously? The very next sentence falsifies your interpretation, quite explicitly. Why would you cherry pick like that?
Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#93Literaly old man yells at cloud.
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Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
1988. On a math TA salary I paid $600 for an 80MB (That's megabytes) hard drive. I had dialup. I also had Turbo Pascal and an 8087 coprocessor. I was a MS student in computational math AKA numerical analysis. It was goddam glorious. Took until 1995ish to have a homelab to experiment with FreeBSD and later Linux over a 10-Base-T network with gcc/g++ and dialup access to this thing called "The World Wide Web". The brow…
>I feel like I have a good idea how EV owners feel right now. (We have a Prius.) The difference is that you don't own your EV, it is a computer on wheel. Any firmware update like Tesla has done in the past and features are no longer available. That is totally opposite of homelab, you have full control, you flash firmware that gives you full control over devices. I am hard core Linux user, my wireless access point run…
> The difference is that you don't own your EV
You could unplug or shield the cellular modem to take the car "offline."
Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#95Counter-take: this was almost entirely wrong, and the author should be embarassed looking back after 17 years. I mean, it was 2009. How much of your personal data from then is still around on non-archival media you still control? Even among the geek set here, the answer is likely to be "almost none of it". At best it's "backed up" on media you haven't validated. Or more likely, copied somewhere else to keep it secure…
Uhhh, me? My home directory has 20-30 years of documents, photos, emails, the email address itself, instant-messaging logs, etc. Even a downloaded zip of every comment I ever made on Reddit. (But not HN, I should look into that.) The primary exception would be Google Photos pictures which were auto-uploaded from my phone that I haven't curated and downloaded yet. I predict I will maintain my custom-domain email addre…
> * In contrast, "all my photos are in the cloud and my friends and family can collaborate on shared albums" is different, it permanently moves the locus of control.
No, it doesn't. You're fooling yourself. All the criticism of "cloud" providers is predicated on a presumption of bad faith on the part of the provider. Do the same to Amazon and Dropbox and you get the same risk. More actually, since you're not just storing photos but raw backups that might end up with chat logs or password or authentication tokens or whatever.
All you're saying is that you trust party A but not party B to give you the same service. Which is fine, your trust is yours to give. But it's not an indictment of the technology behind the service!
Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#96Counter-take: this was almost entirely wrong, and the author should be embarassed looking back after 17 years. I mean, it was 2009. How much of your personal data from then is still around on non-archival media you still control? Even among the geek set here, the answer is likely to be "almost none of it". At best it's "backed up" on media you haven't validated. Or more likely, copied somewhere else to keep it secure…
All of mine, but I guess I'm an exception to the rule.
Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#97Up to early 2000s, people would go to the internet to have fun, everything was new, it was the mass migration from analog to digital era. 2020s, people are going offline to have fun. Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer, people hosting their own documents, movies, music, backups in case things go bad. Even some companies have realised the price of going cloud, some are mo…
> Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer This sounds like a filter bubble plus wishful thinking. Most people can barely manage their phone settings, let alone run a homelab.
This is what I have seen too. Outside my tech literate bubble there’s no call to host their own things that’s being heard followed or shared.
Whet I hear alot about is regulation, which is a bit new, particularly with social media platforms. I know quite a few folks who think they should have less ability to arbitrarily ban accounts for example.
While that may not be the most common sentiment other I think about that in the greater context of these conversations I’ve had with other groups and the trend seems to be that nobody wants to replace Instagram per se, they want better stewards and better regulation on social media.
Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Homelab is becoming a thing even for people who never had experience with computer, ... Oh totally. I got my brother, who lives on the other side of the world and who's not a dev/sysadmin, just a poweruser, to install Proxmox and he's now using GPU passthrough to have VMs run different AI models (in either Linux or Windows) for image generation, experimenting, etc. He's also got a NAS with RAID etc. To me a homelab…
> and who's not a dev/sysadmin > He's also got a NAS with RAID etc. https://xkcd.com/2501/
You'd be surprised. There are tens of thousands (probably millions?) of people that happily use NFS or hosted services on a bog-standard Windows device with no gripes.
Re: Fuck the cloud (2009)
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uhhh, me? My home directory has 20-30 years of documents, photos, emails, the email address itself, instant-messaging logs, etc. Even a downloaded zip of every comment I ever made on Reddit. (But not HN, I should look into that.) The primary exception would be Google Photos pictures which were auto-uploaded from my phone that I haven't curated and downloaded yet. I predict I will maintain my custom-domain email addre…
> * In contrast, "all my photos are in the cloud and my friends and family can collaborate on shared albums" is different, it permanently moves the locus of control. No, it doesn't. You're fooling yourself. All the criticism of "cloud" providers is predicated on a presumption of bad faith on the part of the provider. Do the same to Amazon and Dropbox and you get the same risk. More actually, since you're not just sto…
You're still against against a strawman. Please re-read this part of TFA:
> Don’t trust the Cloud to safekeep this stuff. Hell yeah, use the Cloud, blow whatever you want into the Cloud. The Internet’s a big copy machine, as they say. Blow copies into the Cloud. But please: (1) Don’t blow anything into the Cloud that you don’t have a personal copy of.
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Here's an analogy for how I feel things are going. Keep in mind the differences between: (1) a kind of product-offering, (2) the people offering it, and (3) an underlying set of technologies that could be in multiple products.
* Alt-TFA: "Fuck Asbestos - Everyone's selling asbestos pillows which are dangerous and being pushed by amoral sociopaths. Don't use them without a respirator."
* Alt-ajross: "All your criticism of asbestos is predicated on a presumption of bad faith by the providers. Stop being mean to asbestos. Asbestos can be useful."
* Alt-Terr_: "All asbestos pillows are still terrible no matter who's selling them."
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> All you're saying is that you trust party A but not party B to give you the same service.
No, applying logic I choose is a fundamentally different service than accepting data into logic they choose.