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Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Happy for Hungary! Unfortunatlely, half democracies (ie representative) are open to abuse and give too much power to presidents or governments. Combined with populism, lobbying and corruption, it allows people like Orban to stay in power for a long time. Glad it's over.

Happy for Hungary, the EU, the planet. The sooner the world falls out of love with populism and illiberalism, the better.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Pulling a Trump requires a polarized electorate where you are mostly going to have both parties in 48-52% range, with only real fights in few battleground states, and no absurd change in total vote %. Even Trump won't pull a Trump if other party was nearing 2/3rd majority. I am not even sure of what would happen to American politics if a party reaches 2/3rd majority in both houses, a list of long pending reforms migh…

It's worth noting that the party vote share here was 53% for Tisza vs. 44% for the even-more-right-wing parties. The fact that this results in a two thirds majority is because the electoral system inflates the strongest party. Orbán has previously achieved two thirds majorities multiple times while winning less than 50% of the party vote. Most seats are assigned not through party lists but in single-member constituen…

Let's hope they fix that little loophole before the next election.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Orban is only 63; it's up to him what he will do but there is a certain type of people that could live happily on their own island with all the money they have stolen but they prefer to do evil to their last day. See for example Babis, delegating the ownership of his huge company to a trust fund so he can be a prime minister again at 70. Or indeed our great leader Fico who is in politics like Orban since '89, was pri…

With Orban much reduced in power Fico's days are numbered. But Orban will hang around, if only to do more of Putin's bidding, it's up to Magyar & the new government now to deal with Orban and his spies in a way that they won't be able to do a come-back.

Not really, Fico has survived a lot during his 4 decades in politics and was always able to adapt (to our detriment). His political survival does not depend on Orban, even though they were close the last couple of years.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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post #84

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It's worth noting that the party vote share here was 53% for Tisza vs. 44% for the even-more-right-wing parties. The fact that this results in a two thirds majority is because the electoral system inflates the strongest party. Orbán has previously achieved two thirds majorities multiple times while winning less than 50% of the party vote. Most seats are assigned not through party lists but in single-member constituen…

Let's hope they fix that little loophole before the next election.

I'd like that. But this system is very attractive for the strongest party, so it will be a real test of their commitment to actually representative, multi-party democracy. Also, the general system (a mix of single-member constituencies and party list seats, with more of the former than the latter) isn't a Fidesz invention, it has a long legal tradition in Hungary. So there might be a lot of resistance to a purer party-list system on those grounds too.

Obvious tweaks exist, of course: Even if you keep more individual constituencies than party list seats, they should use some sort of instant runoff/ranked choice/etc. system. But other first past the post countries are dragging their feet on this too, so... we'll see.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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post #94

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Let's hope they fix that little loophole before the next election.

I'd like that. But this system is very attractive for the strongest party, so it will be a real test of their commitment to actually representative, multi-party democracy. Also, the general system (a mix of single-member constituencies and party list seats, with more of the former than the latter) isn't a Fidesz invention, it has a long legal tradition in Hungary. So there might be a lot of resistance to a purer part…

It's a bit like computer security: you have to get it right all of the time and the perps mostly only need one shot at being lucky and then it will takes many years to undo the damage.

We should approach democracy more with the kind of insight that go into making computers secure. Oh, wait...

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Pro-EU: probably. Anti-Russia: also probably. For both: I prefer to see it all rather than to assume it will be fine. Oh, and we still have Fico to deal with. But at least Hungarians have chosen against Orban that in itself gives some hope. Those leaked phone calls that were made public in the last weeks were very damning, I always assumed that such stuff was going on but to have hard proof is on another level. I won…

Orban is only 63; it's up to him what he will do but there is a certain type of people that could live happily on their own island with all the money they have stolen but they prefer to do evil to their last day. See for example Babis, delegating the ownership of his huge company to a trust fund so he can be a prime minister again at 70. Or indeed our great leader Fico who is in politics like Orban since '89, was pri…

If nothing goes catastrophically wrong (again), Orban won't be allowed to return as a prime minister. One of the first legislation the new government aims to pass is to maximize the number of terms to two (8 years in power) which Orban already surpassed. Of course, they could always pull a Putin and put him in a presidential chair and shift power from the parliament/prime minister, so let's hope Fidesz never gets that level of support ever again.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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I don't know much about him, only that he was in the same party. I have heard that he is pro-EU and anti-Russia though, is that true?

Yes, he basically have the same views, except on Russia. One advantage though is that Orban put his people at the head of Hungary corporations, so maybe that will end and the corruption will be kept at "normal" levels.

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Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Flagged due to sour grapes.

Probably flagged because of lack of tech relevance. (I listen Ukraine: The Latest daily, I'm reasonably up-to-date big issue European politics).

Exactly: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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post #97
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orban is only 63; it's up to him what he will do but there is a certain type of people that could live happily on their own island with all the money they have stolen but they prefer to do evil to their last day. See for example Babis, delegating the ownership of his huge company to a trust fund so he can be a prime minister again at 70. Or indeed our great leader Fico who is in politics like Orban since '89, was pri…

If nothing goes catastrophically wrong (again), Orban won't be allowed to return as a prime minister. One of the first legislation the new government aims to pass is to maximize the number of terms to two (8 years in power) which Orban already surpassed. Of course, they could always pull a Putin and put him in a presidential chair and shift power from the parliament/prime minister, so let's hope Fidesz never gets tha…

That's great news.
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