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Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by rebolek »

objclxt wrote: post #88
icfly2 wrote: post #66

Majority of California based companies employee English only or English and Spanish speakers possibly with some Indian language as well. This leads to lots of problems when you are bilingual or bilingual in other languages such as German in French. Neither Apple nor Microsoft under this sort of language swapping well. Never mind rarer languages like Czech or Greek.

> Majority of California based companies employee English only or English and Spanish speakers possibly with some Indian language as well [...] Never mind rarer languages like Czech or Greek. That may be generally true, in this case Apple actually has an engineering team in Czechia that works on biometrics and authentication: https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/ekonomika/apple-posili-v-praze-ty... https://jobs.apple.com/en-gb…

So could they finally fix their quotations marks in Czech? Probably no, they never cared, so why should they start caring now.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by josefrichter »

Since the beginning, iPhone keyboard is wrong in entering a character first, háček second. It has been the other way around on typewriters and then computers for decades. Then some smart guy at apple thought he knows better. One of those never-fixed-bugs.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by concinds »

raverbashing wrote: post #34
userbinator wrote: post #8

after Apple removed a character from its Czech keyboard I wonder what the thought process (or perhaps lack thereof) at Apple was. Did no one of the likely-somewhat-large team who did that think "wait, this could lock out our users who may have used that character"? In the immortal words of Linus Torvalds: "WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!" Now one of the ways in might be those companies who claim to be able to break iPhone…

Honestly of the big companies sometimes I feel like Apple is the worse offender in i18n questions Sure they have most of their stuff translated but some rough edges make me feel they do the bare minimum: - Their ISO keyboard sucks . Sure their overall quality makes it good but of the major brands their Enter key is the most flimsy attempt at it - Some long standing bugs https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250299816?…

I remember switching to English, decades ago, after running into misaligned/cut-off localized text in the UI. I'm still using English to this day.

And from what I've seen, Apple's always supported fewer languages and input methods than Google/Microsoft, like they simply cant be bothered.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by lxgr »

josefrichter wrote: post #92

Since the beginning, iPhone keyboard is wrong in entering a character first, háček second. It has been the other way around on typewriters and then computers for decades. Then some smart guy at apple thought he knows better. One of those never-fixed-bugs.

Wait, really? I thought "dead keys" being diacritics prefixes, not suffixes, was pretty universal. At least that's how it works with ^, ´, and ` on macOS for me.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by yangm97 »

anal_reactor wrote: post #63
PufPufPuf wrote: post #20

I think the biggest lesson here is to back up. The reason for losing access to the phone is amazingly dumb but it could have fallen down the stairs for basically the same effect. And do your could backups cross-provider. You never know what the "big players" are going to pull, and your lifetime customer value is less than the cost of a single support call.

This is exactly the reason why I keep all my shit on an SD card despite Google deliberately making the external storage experience as painful as possible: slow access, broken writes, failed unmounts, no filesystem repair. Literally every time I restart my phone I need to put the card to my PC and repair the filesystem. Also, same card works extremely well when plugged into PC via random cheap USB card reader. On PCs…

There’s a number of mobile Linux distributions around, some even run Android apps.

People need to wake up to the fact that Android has become iOS but worse.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by nkrisc »

Matl wrote: post #36
shawnta wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I agree with you and don't really get what Apple gets from removing a valid Czech character, but how would you test if all existing passcodes remain inputable without knowing the passcodes of all iPhone users? The one way to do this that I could see is to include both the new keyboard and the old one and if someone fails to unlock with the new one auto report that to Apple (not the code, just that the unlock failed a…

You can guarantee it by not removing characters from the keyboard used for password entry. If the set of characters available before the change is a subset of or equal to the set after the change, then all existing passwords must still be enterable.

If allowing that character in the first place was a mistake, then Apple has pushed the consequences of their mistake onto the users instead of owning the mistake and keeping that character available forever on existing devices.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by lxgr »

shawnta wrote: post #15
userbinator wrote: post #8

after Apple removed a character from its Czech keyboard I wonder what the thought process (or perhaps lack thereof) at Apple was. Did no one of the likely-somewhat-large team who did that think "wait, this could lock out our users who may have used that character"? In the immortal words of Linus Torvalds: "WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE!" Now one of the ways in might be those companies who claim to be able to break iPhone…

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If I'd get a dollar for every annoying bug that Apple misses due to being hopelessly Bay Area brained, I'd probably get at least a free official Apple cleaning cloth every couple of years.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by yangm97 »

nikanj wrote: post #48
bpavuk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

afaik you can update your locked iPhone with a Mac or Windows in iTunes... but it will still require a passcode after update, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nope, the ”trust this computer” dialog needs you to enter your passcode before any other actions are possible

This can be bypassed by putting the phone in DFU mode.

Re: Apple update looks like Czech mate for locked-out iPhone user

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Post by nkrisc »

RobotToaster wrote: post #40
Matl wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you and don't really get what Apple gets from removing a valid Czech character, but how would you test if all existing passcodes remain inputable without knowing the passcodes of all iPhone users? The one way to do this that I could see is to include both the new keyboard and the old one and if someone fails to unlock with the new one auto report that to Apple (not the code, just that the unlock failed a…

> how would you test if all existing passcodes remain inputable without knowing the passcodes of all iPhone users? You basically can't ever remove an available character. That includes emojis if they're allowed in IOS passwords.

You can but you have to tie it to actual devices and a point in time, not simply a specific OS version. Essentially, all devices that existed before the change must still support the old set of characters and devices produced (or sold or activated) afterwards can support the reduced set.

Or wait until a future OS version that will not support any device currently in existence.

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