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New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by 0x3f »

_3u10 wrote: post #56
petre wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It competes with China. But it's not like we can easily switch countries because of stupid laws, so what remains is to challrnge them. It only gives the wrong ideas to other wannabe autocrats.

I can get you residency in a number of countries in about 30 to 60 days. It’s remarkably easy to change countries an American friend of mine has over 15 residencies leading to over 10 passports. No citizenship by investment non sense either.

> 15 residencies leading to over 10 passports

Unlikely, considering most places require you to fulfill the granted residency by actually physically being there.

And are these even places you'd want to live?

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by sleepychu »

crote wrote: post #62
fxtentacle wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

If those restrictions are so good for children, wouldn't it be in your interest to enforce them - even when other parents do not? Or are you worried about your kids getting an unfair advantage over unrestricted ones?

I am not parent comment, and I'm also not in favour of restrictions for all/most people in the name of "the kids" for all the reasons covered in this debate. Invasive age verification feels even worse.

But I gotta tell I am not looking forward to deciding which is worse when my little kids grow up and I either have to: - let them use TikTok (or whatever it is by then) and suffer what I know to be an insidious poison - make them be on the outside of the circle and suffer exclusion by their peers because they don't get any of the memes

I've been the only kid in class without the new 18-rated Call of Duty game, or indeed a games console to play it on. At the time, it sucked. In retrospect I totally agree with my parents, young children should not be playing games about shooting each other! (Of course other parents may disagree)

CoD was only the new hotness once every couple of years. TikTok can make something the new hotness every week.

My only real hope to escape this dilemma is that enough other parents in my cohorts realise how poisonous TT is and the problem goes away... I can't say I'm optimistic.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by joecool1029 »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #59
al_borland wrote: post #12

As much as I'd like to see Apple fight this, shouldn't the blame be placed on the governments for compelling this, rather than on Apple? What is the alternative, pulling out of the UK? While I'd love this hard-line approach, as it might make other countries think twice, the stockholders probably wouldn't love it. > Laws like the Online Safety Act 2023 apply to websites and online services — not to entire phone operat…

How would Apple possibly fight a valid law of any country it operates in?

So this is interesting. Apple's an incumbent, not some new disruptive company. What I mean to say is this isn't like a rideshare company that goes in burning money to build public sentiment while lobbying the politicians.

Everyone knows who Apple is. I'm certain UK gov has been in constant communication with Apple on how this is to be rolled out. They would have communicated intent and received feedback from Apple as to how they'll ship it. It's within their capability to lobby/advertise opposition to laws like this but logical option in Apple's position is to insist on a common framework countries could use so they don't need to build a different verify for every country.

I really do think Apple's primary opposition to not having E2EE is they didn't want to deal with the cost of complying with requests and the liability of hosting illegal content. That's the real pushback, because it's ongoing cost/liability to them.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by guidedlight »

Doohickey-d wrote: post #45
guidedlight wrote: post #36

I would rather prove my age to Apple than [insert random website]. I think that’s what Apple is banking on. They sell privacy as a feature of their products, and I’m grateful for that.

And I would rather have the _choice_ whether to prove my age to Apple or not. I think if it were optional, with the additional option of "share my age with websites & apps", nobody would have an issue with it.

The issue is that if you don’t prove your age, access is blocked.

So it’s not optional. At least in Australia.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by [deleted] »

fxtentacle wrote: post #16

While I agree with the general argument that iOS shouldn’t limit the user’s freedom, it looks to me like Apple actually put in some effort to make this as privacy-preserving as possible. The article somewhat glosses over it, but you can buy a PASS age verification card at the local post office for 15£. That one is widely accepted and it doesn’t contain unnecessary information that might cause trouble if it leaked (li…

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by cjs_ac »

consoleable wrote: post #22

Why have Western countries introduced so many laws that look like China’s? The government controls more and more individuals

Every government is preparing for the Third World War, which requires controlling the information infrastructure to enable domestic counterintelligence operations.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by defrost »

guidedlight wrote: post #95
Doohickey-d wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I would rather have the _choice_ whether to prove my age to Apple or not. I think if it were optional, with the additional option of "share my age with websites & apps", nobody would have an issue with it.

The issue is that if you don’t prove your age, access is blocked. So it’s not optional. At least in Australia.

It's entirely optional within Australia - I don't use Apple, nor do my kids or their kids.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by guidedlight »

defrost wrote: post #98
guidedlight wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that if you don’t prove your age, access is blocked. So it’s not optional. At least in Australia.

It's entirely optional within Australia - I don't use Apple, nor do my kids or their kids.

If a website/app requests you to prove your age, you can’t optionally avoid it and continue to use the website/app.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Post by defrost »

guidedlight wrote: post #99
defrost wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's entirely optional within Australia - I don't use Apple, nor do my kids or their kids.

If a website/app requests you to prove your age, you can’t optionally avoid it and continue to use the website/app.

Hasn't happened in any meaningful way yet, so I'll deal with that if and when it happens.
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