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The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

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Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

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Best line: > I am concerned that ML systems could ruin our lives without realizing anything at all. It's hard to say it's not actively happening. And we don't even know it, don't realize it? don't care? (Claude Code got mandated at my work this week. Like literally engineers must use CC.)

Anyone claiming these systems are for the "democratization of software engineering (or any knowledge field)" are simply not grasping the reality at hand.

It's not like our corporate leadership is being subtle in any way about their openly stated end goals here. We are simply instructed to continuously burn our enormous piles of "thought tokens" for their machines. The same machines only made possible by the theft of humanity's collective works at unimaginable scales. We must hold up these statistical facsimiles of human work, now rendered by machine, as the inevitable future output of humanity. To do otherwise is the way of the luddites.

The gods of unbounded growth, efficiency and productivity have come to demand our sacrifice. Who are we to stand in their way when countless skilled laborers before us have fallen to automation? Our number has been called as it were, and to reject what they demand is to reject "progress" itself. The march continues as it has since before the dawn of industrialization, relentless and indifferent to any and all that are crushed beneath it.

I don't know when the last bastion of "inefficiency" will fall, but at some point humanity may collectively grow to regret some forms of automation. Time will tell.

There's a certain simplicity and beauty in honing and stewarding a craft towards mastery that automation doesn't provide. I feel this is an innately human desire. Many cultures in the past used to place a great emphasis in this very personal endeavor. Sadly it seems each decade we slowly suppress these basic human needs, too tantalized by Western values of having ever "more" of everything, much to our detriment.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

#92
Good article, but I cannot help myself to not bring up lack of appreciation for humanities in tech circles.

Article mentions Searle and Chalmers, but we literally have at least two centuries of critical thought that expressed itself through Nietzsche, Marx, Horkheimer, Adorno, Weber, Durkheim, Foucault, Debord, Baudrillard, and many others (obviously I am mentioning those I am most familiar with). If you read Dialectic of Enlightenment, you'll find that slop isn't something that had arisen in last few years. If you read Discipline and Punish you'll find that surveillance and coercion isn't a problem that was born with internet or Palantir. And Baudrillard had few words to say about simulation and reality.

But STEM crowds for decades cried we don't need such thinking, and science and technology are all that we need. Historians, philosophers, culture critics etc. supposedly have nothing to offer us. Who needs to read Marx or Marcuse if sci-fi novels offer all you need, maybe sprinkled with some PG essays and blogpost from you favorite tech blogger, and we happen to live in the best of possible worlds with the best of possible economic systems.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

#93
post #10

> Authors, screenwriters, et al. have a new niche to explore. Any day now I expect an A24 trailer featuring a villain who speaks in the register of ChatGPT. “You’re absolutely right, Kayleigh,” it intones. “I did drown little Tamothy, and I’m truly sorry about that. Here’s the breakdown of what happened…” May I recommend Pluribus (2025-)

Yes. The creator has said he didn't have AI in mind while writing the show, but I think it's still a very stimulating AI parable despite that. The sycophancy, the grinding inevitablity of assimilation, the homogeneous entity that speaks out of a billion mouths. It's all there.

Rather than the alien infecting humanity with it's DNA virus thing, it could somehow seize the "means" to existing LLMs/models/etc and claim to have "archived humanity's essence". This could then become the 'brain' that speaks from a billion mouths.

It's a large difference in concept but potentially only a small difference in outcome.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

#94
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I shall wait your collected thoughts. I’ll suggest The Mythical LLM Month as a title.

You made my day with this line =P. tbh I have been struggling with the state of software in the agentic era. I'm pro LLM, there's undeniable leverage in its coding abilities. I do want to write this post! I'll start with hopefully this distillation: In the agentic era, if shipping code is a commodity, then why ship more code? we can say this for the entire concept of "build" - we've commoditized building anything sof…

You’re welcome! At least I did something productive with my day :-)

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

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> Bored houseboys might download licensed (or bootleg) imitations of popular personalities and set them loose in their home “AI terraria”, à la The Sims, where they’d live out ever-novel Real Housewives plotlines.

I can't wait to put myself into a sim world and give myself super powers.

Statistically, I should already be one of them. But where are my powers? It's another Fermi paradox for sure.

The workaround is to schedule the creation of many many copies of myself, each with its own sim world, just after I fall asleep. So I will have an arbitrarily certain chance of waking up as one of those copies, and the ability to fly.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

#96
post #10

> Authors, screenwriters, et al. have a new niche to explore. Any day now I expect an A24 trailer featuring a villain who speaks in the register of ChatGPT. “You’re absolutely right, Kayleigh,” it intones. “I did drown little Tamothy, and I’m truly sorry about that. Here’s the breakdown of what happened…” May I recommend Pluribus (2025-)

"... That's not cheating. That's being smart."

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

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Speaking of myths, pixies, and spirits: > I. DEFINITION: > MAGICK is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will. > (Illustration: It is my Will to inform the World of certain facts within my knowledge. I therefore take “magical weapons,” pen, ink, and paper; I write “incantations”—these sentences—in the “magical language” i.e. that which is understood by people I wish to instruct. > I call…

A common definition anthropologists use for magic is occult technology: a system of laws that can be manipulated to create desired changes. There's a lot of value in thinking of programming as a form of magic.

Can you expand on this? It has always seemed to me that while programming does indeed like to couch itself in magical terms ("he's a database wizard", "this compiler stuff is black magic", etc), it is fundamentally understandable and replicable. All layers of programming build on their lower layers and this stuff is understood well enough that you can go to university to learn about it in detail.

Programming is technology but not "occult" technology, and I don't really see the added value of treating it as occult. Quite the opposite actually, most good programmers I know acquired their skill because they have a decent grasp about the entire system rather than treating most of it as a black box.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

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post #97

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A common definition anthropologists use for magic is occult technology: a system of laws that can be manipulated to create desired changes. There's a lot of value in thinking of programming as a form of magic.

Can you expand on this? It has always seemed to me that while programming does indeed like to couch itself in magical terms ("he's a database wizard", "this compiler stuff is black magic", etc), it is fundamentally understandable and replicable. All layers of programming build on their lower layers and this stuff is understood well enough that you can go to university to learn about it in detail. Programming is techn…

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Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

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If you called him on it he would say that was on purpose, then talk your ears off about how. He was a ferociously effective charlatan, which is why people still remember the name he made up for himself. (And even invented a rhyming couplet to prate as a pronunciation guide!)

These don't sound like convincing indicators of being an "effective charlatan". Am I to see the Notorious B.I.G. in the same frame?

Yes.

Re: The Future of Everything Is Lies, I Guess: Part 3 – Culture

#100
post #20

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> (Claude Code got mandated at my work this week. Like literally engineers must use CC.) I'm taking a break from this industry until the madness blows over. I cannot even, anymore.

With the current direction of this industry, I fear you will come back to something that is both unrecognisable and terrifying.

You could be the only one producing sane products in an insane world. But you won't get paid for it. The people mandating Claude Code are the people dictating large-scale money flows.
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