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US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

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Re: US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

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it's clearly not a covid effect https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/

The spike in your link's chart clearly starts in early 2020. And "While our data extends only to 2018" is... important, yeah?

I read this as 2020 was Covid related drop, it then returned to normal for 2 years, then began dropping again in late 2023. The covid blip is explained by what was going on at the time, nothing since 2023 has any explanation and could be flock

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#92

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Any evidence that the reduction is actually due to the cameras?

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There is very solid evidence it wasn't the cameras.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/ has a chart of the car breakins.

It shows the drop starting in September of 2023.

https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/policies/depart...

> Starting on March 19, 2024, Flock Safety began installing ALPR cameras in various strategic locations across San Francisco. This rollout is expected to take place over the next 90 days.

In other words, the cameras were added where I've annotated the chart with a black rectangle here: https://imgur.com/a/i00Gna0

To my knowledge, Flock doesn't have a time machine offering.

Re: US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

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Non-US citizens - what's the situation with cameras in public spaces where you live? In my town every 2nd hour or building entrance has a private camera pointed at the street. It's very depressing because the cops don't care - I've asked 2 in a patrol car when there was a mild case of vandalism I witnessed. Technically it's illegal, but nothing happens. The public cameras are on intersection and some bus stops. Too m…

Private cameras pointing to street can be lawful under GDPR, but in that case they are GDPR controller. That then requires them fulfill bunch of obligations which they probably aren't, e.g. giving proper Article 13 notice.

I don't know if it's criminal in any EU country, but it would be something that you could complain to DPA about. Or initiate civil lawsuit against the controller.

Worth noting is that in some cases the camera vendor might also be (joint) controller as they can determine means & purposes of the processing. If they are simply storing the video then it's unlikely, but if they for example use it for AI training that would likely bring them controller territory.

Re: US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

#94

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The spike in your link's chart clearly starts in early 2020. And "While our data extends only to 2018" is... important, yeah?

I read this as 2020 was Covid related drop, it then returned to normal for 2 years, then began dropping again in late 2023. The covid blip is explained by what was going on at the time, nothing since 2023 has any explanation and could be flock

COVID makes it spike up (after a months long downward trend long before the cameras), not down. Nation-wide, incidentally.

The cameras were added where the black rectangle is here: https://imgur.com/a/i00Gna0

Re: US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

#95

Musician-turning-tech anarchist (?) Benn Jordan is making a very interesting series of videos about Flock cameras, their poor safety, and their gray-area interfacing with local governments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMIwNiwQewQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB0gr7Fh6lY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ I recommend them.

Those were great to watch, thanks!

Also, I can't help but feel like I'm watching a young Dr. Emmett Brown.. Great Scott!!

Re: US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

#97

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Yes but you can always leave your phone behind if you want to drop off the map. Flock makes that borderline impossible.

You can remove your license plate, you will get pretty far before it actually gets you pulled over.

Actually, that won’t work. The flock cameras don’t only rely on license plate information. They use “AI” to determine the make model and color of your car as well as any outstanding features, such as bumper stickers or roof racks.

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> The answer to that is the only one that matters. This statement rests on the belief that absolute crime rate is the only thing that matters, and is a cousin to the "I have nothing to hide!" response from people who care little for intrusions to their privacy. Are you in favor of giving law enforcement authorities a way to unlock all private electronic devices? I'm willing to tolerate the presence of some crime in t…

You’re going to be so shocked to find out the tracking device the government tricked you to put in your pocket is even worse. Police can run geofenced dragnets whenever they want, and all you got was the ability to shitpost on the Internet.

You’ll be even more shocked when biometric login isn’t protected by the 5th amendment. Possibly, even more shocked when you find out about XKEYSCORE.

ALPR is bad, of course, but in terms of actual invasion of privacy there are far bigger kraken sized fish to fry that we have accepted as just… completely normal and even necessary to function in our society. It’s only natural that they continue to push the boundaries. Almost like giving up rights for security has consequences we were warned about 250 years ago.

Re: US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

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> And I used to donate to the ACLU before they went crazy. When was that? Because in 1977 they defended Nazi's free speech to demonstrate in a town that had jewish people as half its population so it tried to block them, and I don't recall them doing anything nearly that controversial since. https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/the-skokie-case-how-i-...

Yeah that’s when they actually defended free speech. They now take sides on what speech should be allowed. That’s crazy.

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Re: US cities are axing Flock Safety surveillance technology

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I drove into a very affluent subdivision this weekend, and like most others around here it had a flock camera recording every car on the way in. This camera, however, had the gall to advertise its presence as a neighborhood security measure. "Flock Safety watches this neighborhood" read the sign on the post, or some such. Of course the residents there had no choice but to accept its installation, as the local police…

Monte Sereno or Saratoga?
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