Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

skoda-storyboard.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 618 posts

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#91

Post by exitb »

eru wrote: post #46
exitb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better segregation of cyclists and pedestrians into their own spaces. The bell shouldn't be something that you use regularly.

Depending on how much traffic there is, combining them is fine.

Yes, but I would consider it somewhat rude to use the bell in a space where both bikes and pedestrians are allowed. If it would be required to be used regularly, I'd say the path is badly designed.

I used to commute to work by bike in ~1M city in Europe, mostly on dedicated bike lanes, but some shared, and had just the smallest, barely audible bell, only because it was required by law. I don't remember using it much at all. I don't know what the problem is. Maybe the Londoners should take a good look at themselves.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#92

Post by djtango »

Phemist wrote: post #86
Oras wrote: post #15

Over engineering in real life, solving lack of common sense by introducing a solution where the cyclist is paying. I think the solution is nice for sure, but solving the wrong problem.

The real problem is that cyclists and pedestrians apparently in some countries share space commonly enough that this is necessary? In the Netherlands, bicycle utopia, I cannot remember the last time I used my bell to alert a pedestrian of my existence. Granted, I never cycle in Amsterdam, but that is a special location where high-powered ship horns are probably required. Regarding ANC, I naturally turn it off while c…

In Singapore, cyclists are generally expected to use the pavement and share it with pedestrians.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#93

Post by Mashimo »

exitb wrote: post #42
yladiz wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the right problem that should be solved here?

Better segregation of cyclists and pedestrians into their own spaces. The bell shouldn't be something that you use regularly.

But some bikers probably also use anc headphones, no?

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#94

Post by Freak_NL »

Klaster_1 wrote: post #75
staindk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People shouldn't really be walking around in public with ANC on. It's not safe. Not a simple problem to solve except maybe to inform people better upon buying/setting up ANC-enabled devices.

Should people with hearing impairment also avoid walking around?

Nope. They get special treatment; and that's fine.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#95

Post by djtango »

Klaster_1 wrote: post #75
staindk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People shouldn't really be walking around in public with ANC on. It's not safe. Not a simple problem to solve except maybe to inform people better upon buying/setting up ANC-enabled devices.

Should people with hearing impairment also avoid walking around?

People with a hearing impairment are usually not impairing one of their senses with content competing for their attention

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#96

Post by djtango »

Mashimo wrote: post #93
exitb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better segregation of cyclists and pedestrians into their own spaces. The bell shouldn't be something that you use regularly.

But some bikers probably also use anc headphones, no?

Seen cyclists with overear anc headphones cycling on the road in london. Absolutely mad.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#97

Post by nslsm »

staindk wrote: post #47
yladiz wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the right problem that should be solved here?

People shouldn't really be walking around in public with ANC on. It's not safe. Not a simple problem to solve except maybe to inform people better upon buying/setting up ANC-enabled devices.

The sense of entitlement of cyclists knows no bounds. If cars are liable for running over cyclists then cyclists must be liable for running over pedestrians.

I used to live in a city where I would walk everywhere but I had the constant fear of cyclists running over me because they would drive all over the pavements without any regard for pedestrians. Imagine walking and having to look around all the time. I find it amusing how people in websites like this one talk about how we have to be very afraid of cars when the true terror, at least for me, were cyclists.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#98

Post by zielmicha »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #48

I think it's time for some sort of a safety standard for a sound frequency to be reserved exclusively for alarm/alert use and that ANC systems have to let through. It goes without saying, use of said frequency should be prohibited for other purposes, especially marketing.

I think this is a really bad idea unless paired with some regime that penalizes inappropiate use of alarms - and most societies don't treat noise pollution as a real problem. For example, people honk all the time even when there are no safety issues. Or have misconfigured home/car alarms. Outlawing using ANC for blocking "fake alarms" only makes the problem worse.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#99

Post by lifestyleguru »

sdevonoes wrote: post #84

I’m more afraid of cyclists than of cars. I know exactly where the road starts and end, I know there are traffic lights drivers and pedestrians usually respect, so it’s very unlikely that I can get hit by a car. And Im talking about myself, not about the average person (I know stats may say otherwise) But cyclists can ride in the pedestrian lane, bike lanes and pedestrians lanes are not easily distinguishable (if you…

More or less at the time when electric bicycles weighing over 20kg and moving over 30kmh started to drive on sidewalks, I started to avoid living in big cities.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

#100

Post by Phemist »

djtango wrote: post #92
Phemist wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem is that cyclists and pedestrians apparently in some countries share space commonly enough that this is necessary? In the Netherlands, bicycle utopia, I cannot remember the last time I used my bell to alert a pedestrian of my existence. Granted, I never cycle in Amsterdam, but that is a special location where high-powered ship horns are probably required. Regarding ANC, I naturally turn it off while c…

In Singapore, cyclists are generally expected to use the pavement and share it with pedestrians.

Which, seems to me, is the actual problem that should be solved.
Post reply on HN