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Re: Move Detroit

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Post by bpt3 »

ninkendo wrote: post #88
bpt3 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not moving the goalposts. I said Detroit has limited access to higher education. I said that because schools like Wayne State, Detroit Mercy, etc. are not noteworthy and the closest "good" school (UM) is 45 miles away. None of those facts have changed. You're the one trying to poke random holes in my claim in what appears to be an attempt to defend Detroit (there are none, because it's based in the objective fact…

Your argument started with “limited access to education” and is now “yeah but the only good school is UM”. If your standards are “must be more than one top-25-in-the-world university in commuting distance”, then like, maybe 2-3 cities in the US qualify for this. Nobody’s saying Detroit is in the top 5 cities in the US for higher education. But there (1) is a world class university 45 minutes away and (2) many many “p…

Again, it is limited in comparison to most other cities its size in the US. Saying it punches above its weight because Wayne State is there and UM is 45 miles away is delusional.

DC, Baltimore, Boston, and Atlanta are all around the same size and blow Detroit out of the water. Not to mention the metro areas that are around the same size, which you have to include to count UM.

You can continue to lie to yourself all you want, but Detroit is not attracting many people to the city with its higher education opportunities.

Re: Move Detroit

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Post by kjkjadksj »

bpt3 wrote: post #47
ninkendo wrote: post #27

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I mean if you’re going to say the university has to be literally within city limits, then I don’t see how Boston counts either (Harvard and MIT are in Cambridge) or SF (Stanford is a longer drive than Ann Arbor is from Detroit), or LA (UCLA is a nightmare of a drive from downtown). Are we really going to split hairs and say Ann Arbor doesn’t count as nearby Detroit but Stanford counts as nearby SF? Come on. The Detro…

I didn't say it has to be within city limits, though I would say access is a selling point. Cambridge is a couple miles from Boston proper and they are tightly integrated, plus BU, BC, and Tufts are in the city. CMU and Pitt are in Pittsburgh. Penn is in Philly (which I didn't list originally), along with other good but less prestigious schools, some excellent schools in the inner suburbs, and Princeton is just as fa…

It could be a 45 min drive between ucla and usc. Caltech even longer maybe over an hour from ucla.

Re: Move Detroit

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Post by bpt3 »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #93
bpt3 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say it has to be within city limits, though I would say access is a selling point. Cambridge is a couple miles from Boston proper and they are tightly integrated, plus BU, BC, and Tufts are in the city. CMU and Pitt are in Pittsburgh. Penn is in Philly (which I didn't list originally), along with other good but less prestigious schools, some excellent schools in the inner suburbs, and Princeton is just as fa…

It could be a 45 min drive between ucla and usc. Caltech even longer maybe over an hour from ucla.

Doesn't matter. UCLA is 16 miles from downtown LA, CalTech is about 13 miles.

I had to look it up because of the now multiple Detroit apologists who are acting like Brentwood is on the moon and Pasadena is on Mars to make sure I wasn't completely losing my mind. UM is 43 miles from downtown Detroit, and there isn't some sort of express route guaranteed to be traffic-free that you can take to get there. Like I said before, that's about the same distance from Philly to Princeton, and no one is talking about how essential Princeton is to the city of Philadelphia. I get that it's somewhat different, but it's also not that different.

Detroit lags behind most major US cities (including many that are smaller) when it comes to higher education. I'm not bashing the city when I say that, it's just a fact.

Re: Move Detroit

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Post by esbranson »

Its metropolitan area major economic indicators still look brutal. Its peak unemployment rate was almost 24% during COVID when its labor force participation rate went to 43.5%. That means only 33% of adults were employed in periods during COVID...

Now it is closer to 46.6% of adults working. That's the best of times for the Detroit area.

Re: Move Detroit

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Post by saghm »

MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #63
saghm wrote: post #2

Based on the domain, I expected this to be about literally moving Detroit somehow, either figuratively by relocating things or literally by physically moving the land (like Marble Hill but at a much larger scale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marble_Hill,_Manhattan )

Detroit is moving southwest along with the rest of the [North American tectonic plate][1]. It's not moving relative to surrounding cities, though. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_plate#Plate_mot...

It's also moving through time at a rate of one second per second (but similarly not relative to the surrounding cities).

Re: Move Detroit

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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

saghm wrote: post #96
MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Detroit is moving southwest along with the rest of the [North American tectonic plate][1]. It's not moving relative to surrounding cities, though. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_plate#Plate_mot...

It's also moving through time at a rate of one second per second (but similarly not relative to the surrounding cities).

I was wondering about its reference frame as compared to surrounding cities, but I don't know if the difference could be measured. They are accelerating in different directions (towards the Earth, primarily).

Re: Move Detroit

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Post by kjkjadksj »

bpt3 wrote: post #94
kjkjadksj wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be a 45 min drive between ucla and usc. Caltech even longer maybe over an hour from ucla.

Doesn't matter. UCLA is 16 miles from downtown LA, CalTech is about 13 miles. I had to look it up because of the now multiple Detroit apologists who are acting like Brentwood is on the moon and Pasadena is on Mars to make sure I wasn't completely losing my mind. UM is 43 miles from downtown Detroit, and there isn't some sort of express route guaranteed to be traffic-free that you can take to get there. Like I said be…

The difference is 96 in detroit is moving at 60mph pretty much all times of the day. You don’t reach those speeds in socal until like 9pm.

Re: Move Detroit

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Post by jen20 »

AxEy wrote: post #46
t-3 wrote: post #28

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> There are definitely areas to avoid Not even areas really, just activities. Don't get involved in gangs or drugs and you'll never have any problem. One nice thing about the Motor City is that sidewalks are empty, because if you had any money you would be driving. I've walked and biked all around the city and metro, you're more likely to be hurt by a pothole on a street with no lights than by muggers or whatever peo…

I'm not trying to be snarky here, I'm genuinely considering moving north, and am curious: > "sidewalks are empty, because if you had any money you would be driving." Not sure this makes me feel safer. I'm guessing you're not suggesting that everyone has money, so why are the sidewalks empty exactly? Also would you say that Detroit is "walkable"?

> Also would you say that Detroit is "walkable"?

Somewhat. Downtown is perfectly walkable. Some of the individual surrounding towns are too (Royal Oak for example), but the metro area as a whole is not. I haven't looked (I usually have a rental car), but I don't think the public transit is particularly useful either.

Re: Move Detroit

#100

Post by jen20 »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #15
jen20 wrote: post #12

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Why? It's a fine city to live in, if you can deal with the cold a few months a year.

$1000 to move ANYWHERE is already a lowball. Much less to a city that consistently ranks among the top 5 most dangerous large US cities by violent crime, has brutal winters, and a blight problem.

> $1000 to move ANYWHERE is already a lowball.

It's better than $0, which is what most places pay you to move there.

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