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The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by azan_ »

slopinthebag wrote: post #85
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Yes, just get hundreds of billions of dollars in investments to build a leading product, and then use your massive legal team to force the usage of your highly subsidised and marketed subscription plan through your vibe coded software. This is excellent evidence that code doesn't matter.

> Yes, just get hundreds of billions of dollars in investments to build a leading product, and then use your massive legal team to force the usage of your highly subsidised and marketed subscription plan through your vibe coded software.

What? Your comment makes absolutely zero sense. Legal team forces people to use Claude Code?

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by baggachipz »

andrenotgiant wrote: post #28
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

> you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code which has always been true

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Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by thwarted »

semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

> It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

We already knew that. This is a matter of people who didn't know that or didn't want to acknowledge that thinking they now have proof that it doesn't matter for creating a crazy popular & successful product, as if it's a gotcha on those who advocate for good practices. When your goal is to create something successful that you can cash out, good practices and quality are/were never a concern. This is the basis for YAGNI, move-fast-and-break-things, and worse-is-better. We've know this since at least betamax-vs-VHS (although maybe the WiB VHS cultural knowledge is forgotten these days).

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by moritzwarhier »

tock wrote: post #80
shimman wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that plus having tens of billions of gulf money certainly helps you subsidize your moronic failures with money that isn't yours while you continue, and fail to, achieve profitability in any time horizon within a single lifespan.

Huh what moronic failure did Anthropic do? Every Claude Code user I know loves it.

I don't know if the comment was referring to this, but recently, people have been posting stuff about them requiring their new hire Jared Sumner, author of the Bun runtime, to first and foremost fix memory leaks that caused very high memory consumption for claude's CLI. The original source was them posting about the matter on X I think.

And at first glance, none of it was about complex runtime optimizations not present in Node, it was all "standard" closure-related JS/TS memory leak debugging (which can be a nightmare).

I don't have a link at hand because threads about it were mostly on Xitter. But I'm sure there are also more accessible retros about the posts on regular websites (HN threads, too).

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by anthonypasq »

acedTrex wrote: post #72
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Its a buggy pos though, "popular and successful" have never been indicators of quality in any sense.

ok, well if youd like to trade in 14billion dollars of revenue for better quality feel free.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by slopinthebag »

kennywinker wrote: post #79
hombre_fatal wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, many of the complaints seem more like giddy joy than anything. The negative emotion regex, for example, is only used for a log/telemetry metric. Sampling "wtf?" along would probably be enough. Why would you use an agent for that? I don't see how a vibe-coded app is freed from the same trade-offs that apply to a fast-moving human-coded one. Especially since a human is still driving it, thus they will take the sa…

I think the thing is that people expect one of the largest companies in the world to have well written code. Claude’s source code is fine for a 1-3 person team. It’s atrocious for a flagship product from a company valued over $380 BILLION. Like if that’s the best ai coding can do given infinite money? Yeah, the emperor has no clothes. If it’s not the best that can be done, then what kinda clowns are running the show…

Yes, you would expect a company paying millions in TC to the best software developers on the planet could produce a product that is best in class, and you would get code quality for free. Except it's regularly beaten in benchmarks and user validation by open source agents, some built by a single person (pi), with horrible code quality leading to all sorts of bad UX and buggy behaviour.

Either they're massively overpaying some scrubs to underperform with the new paradigm, or they are squeezing every last drop out of vibe coding and this is the result.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by Forgeties79 »

tock wrote: post #80
shimman wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that plus having tens of billions of gulf money certainly helps you subsidize your moronic failures with money that isn't yours while you continue, and fail to, achieve profitability in any time horizon within a single lifespan.

Huh what moronic failure did Anthropic do? Every Claude Code user I know loves it.

There’s a sample group issue here beyond the obvious limitations of your personal experience. If they didn’t love it, they likely left it for another LLM. If they have issues with LLM’s writ large, they’re going to dislike and avoid all of them regardless.

In the current market, most people using one LLM are likely going to have a positive view of it. Very little is forcing you to stick with one you dislike aside from corporate mandates.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by senordevnyc »

slopinthebag wrote: post #85
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Yes, just get hundreds of billions of dollars in investments to build a leading product, and then use your massive legal team to force the usage of your highly subsidised and marketed subscription plan through your vibe coded software. This is excellent evidence that code doesn't matter.

I know this isn't your point, but Anthropic has raised about $70 billion, not "hundreds of billions".

And they don't need a massive legal team to declare that you can't use their software subscription with other people's software.

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