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In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by nradov »

Apreche wrote: post #19

It’s amazing to use technology to save humans from toil. The question is, who owns the robot? Who benefits from the labor it produces? The techno utopia we imagine is a world where nobody has to work. All our needs are taken care of and we live a life of leisure. But as long as there is ownership of the automated systems, those owners will hoard all the wealth generated by that automation. Labor expenditures and taxe…

Yikes, that's not the utopia I imagine at all. A world where nobody has to work sounds horrific.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by 7373737373 »

jazz9k wrote: post #66
7373737373 wrote: post #20

If Universal Basic Income was a thing, this would probably happen much faster globally

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Why would you have to work harder when employers of jobs no one wants to do (for a given wage) have to either increase wages or embrace automation research and development (thereby likely speeding up its systemic adoption and reducing the necessity for manual work even more)?

Where developing countries have vendors on the streets, industrialized nations have vending machines instead, by pure economic and demographic necessity. The existence of an automation tool doesn't imply a human having to work harder somewhere else.

And why do you assume people would sit around doing nothing? I don't think that's a natural thing for most people to do.

How financial and social systems are set up seems to be very much a societal choice, unless it goes against some physical, basic economic or global trade limitation.

Interesting note on the native tribes though!

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by ngokevin »

jazz9k wrote: post #66
7373737373 wrote: post #20

If Universal Basic Income was a thing, this would probably happen much faster globally

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This short-term thinking makes me pessimistic about UBI. Everyone's addicted to work despite automation and AI creating less need for work. And thinking we live in a zero-sum game where if someone else is benefiting, it must be hurting them somehow so they must block it. If someone's getting a "handout", they're a lazy bum.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by tmpz22 »

robotnikman wrote: post #35
alephnerd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who’s paying for your nursing home Japanese financial institutions massive capital positions across Asia, the US, and Europe which tend to be public-private ventures. > Tax the robot’s income Pretty much, in the sense that corporations and the Japanese government have spent decades working together to build a sovereign wealth model comparable to Singapore and the UAE's.

This is something that really needs to be done in the states imo. IIRC we don't have a sovereign wealth fund, but we should in order to provide a social safety net for our citizens, especially with all the uncertainties regarding the future right now.

No no no. We’re a Christian nation. Fuck them kids (literally, on an island). Get rich, fuck young models. Just like the President.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #80
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the teachers one. Having one lady in charge of educational instruction for that many kids will be looked back upon as barbarism.

The solution is more teachers, smaller class sizes and not underpaying and abusing teachers to function as nanny’s also charged with raising your children. This isn’t exactly a mystery problem, we’ve understood clearly how to educate humans well for quite a while. It’s just that doing it properly is “eXpEnSiVe” as if the alternative, isn’t quietly orders of magnitude worse, and more costly.

Even if you doubled the number of teachers (which you won't), we're still not getting to anything that resembles individual instruction.

We're still basically warehousing those kids, and we can do better.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by akudha »

mamami wrote: post #10

Meanwhile in the US they're replacing artists, writers, and teachers

I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes.

From: https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238

As a species, we need to evaluate our attitudes to work. The quote above resonates at some level, but maybe there are some people who enjoy doing dishes and laundry, who knows.

Most people are just surviving. It is a constant battle between slaving away in jobs (and have healthcare tied to our jobs) we don't like and rest of our lives, including relationships, hobbies, even health. Most people do not have the time or energy to think about anything else other than just getting through the day.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by jfengel »

Ancalagon wrote: post #40
jfengel wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs everyone thinks are easy and nobody likes the people who do it.

Why would people not like artists?

Some think of art as the ridiculous "fine art" market for snobs and money launderers.

Some think of the kind of people who use Macintoshes for a living, and are therefore pretentious latte-sipping slackers who couldn't get a real job.

And various other negative stereotypes.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by tokioyoyo »

deepsun wrote: post #68
alephnerd wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one wants to clean s#it, especially in a country with as broad a social welfare net as Japan. Instead, in Japan you can get someone from Vietnam, China, or Thailand to do that for a couple dollars a day with Gulf style guestworker rules. Additionally, Asian societies don't have the same Luddite aversion to automation [0] that seems to have taken over Western mindshare as can be seen on HN. They don't want Westerne…

Japan is very different than most cultures in cleaning after yourself. It's very ingrained in their psyche, e.g. school students are trained to clean their classrooms in organized way. So your argument might hold for other countries, but not for Japan. Cleaning is a pretty honorable thing to do there (and it's super-clean as people trash way less).

More of a “it’s an honourable job, and I respect people who do it, but personally I wouldn’t do it” kinda thing.

Status is ingrained in the culture. What you do, which neighbourhood you live in Tokyo, what school you went to and etc. matters a lot to a random person.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by perching_aix »

nradov wrote: post #91
Apreche wrote: post #19

It’s amazing to use technology to save humans from toil. The question is, who owns the robot? Who benefits from the labor it produces? The techno utopia we imagine is a world where nobody has to work. All our needs are taken care of and we live a life of leisure. But as long as there is ownership of the automated systems, those owners will hoard all the wealth generated by that automation. Labor expenditures and taxe…

Yikes, that's not the utopia I imagine at all. A world where nobody has to work sounds horrific.

> A world where nobody has to work sounds horrific.

Why?

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