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Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by remarkEon »

Arodex wrote: post #80
remarkEon wrote: post #51

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Perhaps the most interesting phenomenon I see, on X and elsewhere, is that there are many people who are actively rooting for Americans to die. It has been very revealing in a "see who your real friends are" kind of way. It's quite different from the GWOT, where a sort of cold indifference was common. This time there's europeans and even some Americans who are anxious to see Americans shot down and killed. This is pr…

>"see who your real friends are" The current US government (and the millions who voted them in power despite their clear fascistic tendencies) made perfectly clear to the rest of the world that the USA is friends with nobody: we are all supposed to be either enemies or vassals. You can't have Vance come to Europe and insult all of them and expect us to be friends with you.

I totally get it. Via revealed preference, Europe decided a long time ago that they wanted to outsource continental security to the Americans. For a while, this worked out okay, but after 9/11 and the, shall we say, tepid enthusiasm that the rest of NATO (absent maybe Great Britain) had with supporting the US, the relationship deteriorated to a pretty basic free rider problem. Fast forward to the Ukraine War and it became starkly clear that Europe was not prepared to handle security without relying on the "friends" across the Atlantic. So I guess I'm sorry that it took Vance (and Rubio) coming to Europe to insult your leaders, but if that's what it takes for European nations to take their own security seriously again then so be it, I guess? I acknowledge the relationship strain, but everyone in Europe taking taking charge of their own security is objectively better for all involved, perhaps especially the Americans. Again, I'm sorry that Vance said mean things about your politicians.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

sosomoxie wrote: post #82
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #81

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You expressly stating IRGC is your side, not the Iranian people, is very telling. IRGC caused more suffering/death, more starving of children, in the Yemeni civil war than Israel has in Gaza. If you care about military caused suffering/death, IRGC has to be on the top of your horrible people list. IRGC is currently importing Iraqi Shia PMF to be enforcers of the Shia apartheid regime currently occupying Iran, because…

First of all, I fully reject Zionist propaganda. It's crystal clear that their mandate is to lie to Americans at all times. Secondly, yes the IRGC is on my side, they are attacking my enemies. The only state in the world to do so.

OK, but what about the points a rando on HN brought up?

The Iraqi PMF posted videos of their arrival and their meeting and stating their commitment to the IRGC, so not propaganda.

The IRGC has gone on state TV talking about recruiting 12 year olds, so not propaganda.

HRW has documented the murder of women from violating dress code, so not proganda.

The IRGC has stated that 3000 Iranian protesters will murdered by them in January, so not propoganda (though their admitted number is in question as being too low).

The Iranian regime/IRGC are very clear they are a repressive theocratic regime for Shia Islam, so not propaganda. The have religious/morality police that enforce Shia rules/requirements, with violations resulting in punishment up to rape/death.

The government/IRGC are made up of Shia regime loyalists. IRGC and the state own large amounts of industry in Iran, and promote loyalist Shia supporters making Iran an apartheid regime favoring Shia and disfavoring those that follow other religions (religion is often tribally based in Iran), so not propaganda.

Iran supported the Houthis in their civil war that resulted in over 200,000 dead children, so Iran is actively spreading war/death unrelated to fighting Israel (Israel was not in control of Yemen's previous government).

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by remarkEon »

defrost wrote: post #90
remarkEon wrote: post #57

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And the evidence for this is where, exactly? Oh, that's right, it's all extrajudicial "trust me bro" with no congressional oversight.

Not really. I'm simply noting the characteristics of the vehicle as seen in the videos released by the War Department. Are you a fisherman? Usually when I go fishing I take, ya know, fishing gear with me.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

sosomoxie wrote: post #82
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You expressly stating IRGC is your side, not the Iranian people, is very telling. IRGC caused more suffering/death, more starving of children, in the Yemeni civil war than Israel has in Gaza. If you care about military caused suffering/death, IRGC has to be on the top of your horrible people list. IRGC is currently importing Iraqi Shia PMF to be enforcers of the Shia apartheid regime currently occupying Iran, because…

First of all, I fully reject Zionist propaganda. It's crystal clear that their mandate is to lie to Americans at all times. Secondly, yes the IRGC is on my side, they are attacking my enemies. The only state in the world to do so.

You cool with what your boys did to Salman Rushdie?

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by phs318u »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #86
phs318u wrote: post #84

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Israel is an apartheid regime. Palestinian Israelis are constantly discriminated against and have laws apply differently to them. You could also argue that there’s a significant theocratic element in the Israeli government (resulting from the alliances the corrupt war criminal has had to make to retain power and avoid prosecution). Eretz Yisrael anyone? I think what a lot of Americans fail to understand is just how g…

'but Israel' isn't a response on the points I raised other than to say you don't actually care about apartheid regimes/points, they are just convenient talking points for you to justify your position.

No offence, but you were banging on about the “Shia apartheid regime” and implied (EDIT: spelling) they are a minority when 95% of Iranians are Shia. There is more apartheid in Israel than Iran.

As for theocratic governments, the region is full of them and the biggest (Saudi Arabia) are supported by the US despite their similar practices of theocratic oppression to the Iranian regime (probably more so in SA than Iran), so please spare me the hypocritical handwringing.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #94
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #89

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Do you deny that the regime that runs Iran embraces Shia Islam? Or do you deny that Shia Islam embraces martyrdom?

Let's just say that the factual position for my claim seems stronger than yours.

As for which of us is spewing propaganda... I'll let the readers judge.

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by sosomoxie »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #96
sosomoxie wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, I fully reject Zionist propaganda. It's crystal clear that their mandate is to lie to Americans at all times. Secondly, yes the IRGC is on my side, they are attacking my enemies. The only state in the world to do so.

You cool with what your boys did to Salman Rushdie?

I have to admit, I don't care. You cool with what your boys did in Gaza?

Re: US forces locate and evacuate downed airman in Iran

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Post by sosomoxie »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #93
sosomoxie wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, I fully reject Zionist propaganda. It's crystal clear that their mandate is to lie to Americans at all times. Secondly, yes the IRGC is on my side, they are attacking my enemies. The only state in the world to do so.

OK, but what about the points a rando on HN brought up? The Iraqi PMF posted videos of their arrival and their meeting and stating their commitment to the IRGC, so not propaganda. The IRGC has gone on state TV talking about recruiting 12 year olds, so not propaganda. HRW has documented the murder of women from violating dress code, so not proganda. The IRGC has stated that 3000 Iranian protesters will murdered by the…

Yeah and Saddam Hussein had WMD and unplugged incubators (something Israel actually did), and there were 40 beheaded babies and mass rapes, and Iran murdered 6 million protesters... You'd have to be a complete fool to believe Zionist lies.
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