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Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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I think Charlie Munger or Warren Buffet said once about an iPad for reading that : it would be terrible to read on a device where it was so easy to get distracted with the internet on your fingers.

E readers work for a reason. You aren’t distracted (the slow browser in it is hardly a distraction)

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

That we shouldn't take child rearing advice from the man who killed himself with fruit juice.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

TBH the problem is not the iPad here. An offline iPad with a limited set of educational apps/books would be a good classroom aid Of course, an iPad without those limits is bad

It is not just about what you can access.

The biggest problem is you get conditioned to instant and constant dopamine hits, which works directly against a lot of the things one is supposed to learn in school.

Kids learn the A-Z in record speed in 1st grade. But they don't learn to concentrate or that learning things can sometimes be challenging and the value of perseverance and that understanding eventually comes.

So in later grades they pay for learning the A-Z too fast through the iPad. Because they didn't learn how to learn.

The net effect in Norwegian classrooms over past 5 years of iPad education seems to be negative and it is not about what kids are exposed to. It is about not learning to concentrate.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Altman generally seen as experts in childhood development and education?

No but they are experts in engineering their garbage to cause maximum damage.

Engineering or marketing ? I doubt Zuckerberg or Altman have much involvement in engineering after their products took off. After a certain point they were no longer engineers of their products.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

exactly, makes me think... if person who makes the bread does not feed his own family, something is wrong

Also a good reason for why one shouldn’t have one’s child raised through the policies of people who don’t want kids. If they don’t have any skin in the game…

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Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

It tells us nothing. People act like this is some big hypocrisy or revelation. First of all, Jobs DID allow his children to use iPads, but it was limited. People take a single quote from the Isaacson biography out of context, assuming that he never let his children have access to iPads at all, forever. Other interviews he gave talked about limiting access - like ALL families should do.

Jobs was literally just parenting. Limiting screen time is something all parents should do. We also limit access to sugary foods and other things that can be damaging in excess. Calling tech executives hypocrites for having common sense parenting limits is not really a dunk.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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post #87

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Do they need to be? If I was a billionaire surrounded by the most educated and competent people in the world I wouldn't even spare a thought for the "Whole words are better than phonics" crowd.

So it’s kind of an appeal to authority, without any evidence of authority? I’d be super interested in the panels of experts that Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Altman (assuming GGP’s “asssumption” is correct) convened when making these decisions. Absent that, this isn’t any more persuasive than saying that Coca Cola is good for infants because I assume Coke execs feed it to theirs.

You are making an argument from authority too though.

Even ignoring my point, these people have more insight than anyone into their own products and their harmful/beneficial nature.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

It’s probably more nuanced than this. Would I have let my kids use Facebook in the height of its popularity. Absolutely. It was fun, engaging and user driven.

Now it’s just an absolute cesspit of paid content, ads and boomers posting in groups.

I don’t even think it’s appropriate to call it social media anymore. It’s barely social.

Not a single friend of mine posts anything on there.

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