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StepFun 3.5 Flash is #1 cost-effective model for OpenClaw tasks (300 battles)

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Re: StepFun 3.5 Flash is #1 cost-effective model for OpenClaw tasks (300 battles)

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I was excited to read through this to find out how these tasks are evaluated at scale. Lots of scary looking formulas with sigmas and other Greek letters. Then I clicked on one task to see what it looks like “on the ground”: https://app.uniclaw.ai/arena/DDquysCGBsHa (not cherry picked- literally the first one I clicked on) The task was: > Find rental properties with 10 bedrooms and 8 or more bathrooms within a 1 hour…

I know, that was indeed a bad judge move. I've manually checked tens of tasks so far, and that one is one of the worst... I would say check a few more, judge has some noise but in general did a good job IMO

Why not re run your analysis with improved judging criteria?

Re: StepFun 3.5 Flash is #1 cost-effective model for OpenClaw tasks (300 battles)

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None of the Qwen 3.5 models seem present? I’ve heard people are pretty happy with the smaller 3.5 versions. I would be curious to see those too. I would also be interested to see "KAT-Coder-Pro-V2" as they brag about their benchmarks in these bots as well

If they use OpenRouter pricing then the Qwen3.5 models are going to be poor value. The Qwen3.5 27B model on OR is $1.56/million tokens out (it used to be $2.4/mil). Meanwhile Minimax M2.7 (a much larger model) is $1.2/mil out. The smaller and medium tier Qwen3.5 models are only really cost effective if you run them yourself.

Oh I never noticed that. Good to call out. But that would put it much closer to Minimax M2.7 in terms of price than to the likes of Mimo V2 Pro, and Gemini Flash 3 preview, which are both on the list

Re: StepFun 3.5 Flash is #1 cost-effective model for OpenClaw tasks (300 battles)

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Tuned Qwen 3.5 27B beats Step 3.5 on almost all benchmarks, so the point about the size class is moot.

Benchmarks don't tell the whole story. For one-shot coding tasks, I found Step 3.5 Flash to be stronger even than Qwen 3.5 397B.

Benchmarks don't tell the whole story... for that you need anecdotes from random HN posters :)

Re: StepFun 3.5 Flash is #1 cost-effective model for OpenClaw tasks (300 battles)

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What kind of creative writing are you doing? Fiction or non-fiction like blog posts?

Fiction. One of my "benchmarks" is giving the model a bunch of (self-made) text and having it simulate a 4chan thread about it. This tests tool use (calling the APIs), some skills, censorship and general creativity. Some models refuse every new turn after reading real 4chan threads ;) Claude is especially good at this surprisingly while GPT fails spectacularly and Gemini is just lazy (and barely usable since it's con…

Interesting. Are you running something like Autoresearch loop for writing fiction? How will the agent determine whether the output is good as this is subjective.

Re: StepFun 3.5 Flash is #1 cost-effective model for OpenClaw tasks (300 battles)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiction. One of my "benchmarks" is giving the model a bunch of (self-made) text and having it simulate a 4chan thread about it. This tests tool use (calling the APIs), some skills, censorship and general creativity. Some models refuse every new turn after reading real 4chan threads ;) Claude is especially good at this surprisingly while GPT fails spectacularly and Gemini is just lazy (and barely usable since it's con…

Interesting. Are you running something like Autoresearch loop for writing fiction? How will the agent determine whether the output is good as this is subjective.

I don't have any advanced setup, creative writing is always subjective. I just one-shot most of the time.

Re: StepFun 3.5 Flash is #1 cost-effective model for OpenClaw tasks (300 battles)

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I'm about 2 days into transitioning, using MiMo V2 Pro in place of Opus and MiniMax M2.7 in place of Sonnet. I'm finding that the extra "hand holding" that MiMo and MiniMax need isn't really "extra." The Anthropic models happily agree to a plan and then do something else entirely way too often. With MiMo and MiniMax I'm just spreading the attention throughout the day instead of big spikes of frustration figuring out…

Thank for responding. So you are using MiMo V2 Pro to plan and then asking MiniMax M2.7 to read that plan file and execute? Or how the workflow looks like? Pi/Opencode/Kilocode? Just curious. I am using Opencode mostly and thinking to abandon Copilot so looking for something similar.

Sorry for late reply, but yeah that's how my workflow looks, but I'm also more just leaning on MiMo V2 Pro now, it's fast, and cheap enough. And I'm using OpenCode.
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