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Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by woolion »

woolion wrote: post #7

> We assert that artificial intelligence is a natural evolution of human tools developed throughout history to facilitate the creation, organization, and dissemination of ideas, and argue that it is paramount that the development and application of AI remain fundamentally human-centered. While this is a noble goal, it seems obvious that this isn't how it usually goes. For instance, "free market" is often used as a do…

I just re-read my comment (too late for edits) and there are a number of typos (including missing "not") that significantly degraded the syntax, but the point kind of came across anyway.

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by intended »

esafak wrote: post #60
intended wrote: post #34

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Oh come now - globalizations was great at the regional level. It was not that great for sub groups within developed nations. The original thesis believed that people would be retrained into other equally well paying roles. Turns out people can’t retrain into new domains, and led to under employment.

Why not, because they're too old to learn, or because the support infrastructure is not there? I believe most people are capable of continued learning, but they might need help (financial etc.) to make the transition.

Even with support infrastructure/money it didn’t work.

You aren’t going to transition into the same level of experience in a new industry.

If it’s jumping into tech/code, for example; even with the best resources, it’s a slog to get back to similar levels of renumeration.

Add in the fact that you have obligations, bills and dependents?

Theres never going to be enough money to keep people afloat while they change domains mid-life.

Check out the programs to retrain miners. Aside from fraud, there were also unrealistic promises.

However, leaving aside leakages - there weren’t that many entry level jobs for code in those regions in the first place.

The cultural differences (trades, physical labour vs code, abstract problems, sedentary work) were sizable barriers to success.

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by qsera »

nutjob2 wrote: post #23
Izikiel43 wrote: post #12

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Globalization was great for poor countries, not so much developed economies.

This isn't correct. The deal is that the poor countries get development and increased employment, and the rich countries get lower prices. Generally speaking both types of countries get richer. That some workers lost their jobs is a symptom of any change. I don't know why people always get upset people losing their jobs. It's like death, if no one died relatively few people would be born. If you resist job losses you…

It would be ok if people lost jobs, and the products and services become cheap correspondingly.

But it would be a problem if people lost jobs and all the product and services keep costing the same as before, and get costlier over time as before...

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by mchinen »

gettingoverit wrote: post #67
mchinen wrote: post #20

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I haven't seen any negative sentiment toward Terence Tao before. Coming from outside the academic math sphere, genuinely curious if there's a real issue or if this comment is just spam itself.

It's actually a strange situation. Tao is the only high-profile mathematician who tries to resolve the reproducibility crisis in math by popularizing proof checkers, and who used LLMs in probably the most legitimate way: to produce formal undeniable proofs with them, that cannot really suffer from LLMs being wrong all the time. On the other hand, I still find content and arguments he produces to be quite weak, and ho…

Thanks for breaking it down in a balanced way.

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by falcor84 »

BDPW wrote: post #6
gradstudent wrote: post #5

I skimmed the paper a couple of times, hoping to find the promised (from the abstract) > pathway to integrating AI into our most challenging and intellectually rigorous fields to the benefit of all humankind. There's very little insight here though. It seems mostly a retread of conversations we've been having in the academic community for a few years now. In particular, I was hoping to see some discussion of how we m…

Physical classrooms don't really scale either, is that really a fundamental problem?

I don't know if this is what the GP meant, but obviously classrooms do scale, in the sense that almost every kid in the world has access to a classroom. But arguably, for better or worse, this scaling was enabled by "cramming" many of those kids into relatively large classes, with little 1:1 attention from the teachers, and with standardized (mostly multiple-choice) testing, rather than old-school oral testing.

As I see it, it is a very salient question - what would the economics of global schooling look like if we decided that it's imperative for every student to get personal pedagogy and regular individual professional oral examinations for their schoolwork?

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by naasking »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #78
naasking wrote: post #74

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You can only truly stop competition by government intervention.

When an organization gets big enough it is indistinguishable from government.

No organization can ever rival a real government like the US due to the latter's monopolization on the use of force.

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by zitterbewegung »

hammock wrote: post #87
zitterbewegung wrote: post #55

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Not even sure if AI was ever "human-centered" . DARPA funded a large amount of AI reseearch from even the 1960s. The DART tool used in the Gulf War made back all of their previous investments. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Analysis_and_Replannin...

I mean were computers themselves ever human-centered? What’s the difference between AI and a computer?

AI are algorithms generally and a computer is something executing a program .

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by hammock »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #98
hammock wrote: post #87

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I mean were computers themselves ever human-centered? What’s the difference between AI and a computer?

AI are algorithms generally and a computer is something executing a program .

Let me be more nuanced. What’s the difference between AI and a computer program? In the context above

Re: Mathematical methods and human thought in the age of AI

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Post by smaudet »

naasking wrote: post #97
yoyohello13 wrote: post #78

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When an organization gets big enough it is indistinguishable from government.

No organization can ever rival a real government like the US due to the latter's monopolization on the use of force.

Unfortunately there isn't also a requirement on not being a complete idotic psycho.

Monoply on force is meaningless, if you shoot your head off with it, which is what is happening with the US atm...

Criminally stupid is the trump all card, pun intended.

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