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Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by thiht »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #23
helterskelter wrote: post #19

Up next for 0.13: multiple cursors! I have no idea what I'd do with this feature but it sounds intriguing. https://neovim.io/roadmap/

I'm not sure how people typically use neovim, but in Zed I find multiple cursors (especially combined with multiple file buffers) extremely ergonomic for refactoring quickly and easily where tools like find and replace or simple renaming doesn't suffice. It lets you scan through and add cursors where you need them, then perform your edits across locations and even files all at once. It's so nice that it played a sign…

Not sure I under the Zed argument, VSCode has supported milti-cursors since the very beginning. It was made popular (not invented) by Sublime Text because it made it reaaaally easy (middle click+drag), so Atom and VSCode carried the feature.

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by stryan »

vermilingua wrote: post #86
c-hendricks wrote: post #7

I unintentionally ran the main branch when testing some changes and a lot of my config broke (mostly around LSPs, CodeCompanion was much slower streaming its responses) so might wait a bit before upgrading.

The lspconfig depreciation was a very painful upgrade for me too, as it seems to be very poorly documented; but ultimately it came down to moving all of the LSP server configuration to `vim.lsp.config` blocks, then calling `vim.lsp.enable` with all the servers I use. I’m still not clear on what Mason is doing in my config after the switch but oh well.

Mason installs LSP servers (and other tooling if desired). So if you're managing your LSP servers elsewhere (distro package manager, etc), it's probably not doing much.

Mason was always just a package manager for LSP servers. It used to be you needed the nvim-lspconfig plugin to properly configure LSP servers to work with neovim; to help with that there was the mason-lspconfig plugin that basically mapped LSP servers (as installed by mason) to nvim-lspconfig LSP configurations to make it all Just Work.

Now nvim-lspconfig and mason-lspconfig are no longer required thanks to the `vim.lsp.config`/`vim.lsp.enable` setup so you don't need them unless you want the little bit of automagic setup. Mason you can retain if you find it easier to install LSP servers through it, otherwise you can drop that too. Personally I manage my LSP tooling through distro/mise and replaced the lspconfig plugins with just a few autocommands and manually grabbing the config files from nvim-lspconfig git repo as needed.

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by aidos »

augusto-moura wrote: post #67
imjonse wrote: post #62

It probably goes against Vim tradition, culture and freedom to choose, but I wish they added even more built-in features (like Helix) that are currently implemented in competing and sometimes brittle plugins and have to be put together into also competing vim starter packs and distros of plugins and config files just to have a modern setup out of the box.

I believe neovim started as a fork specifically to implement features like LSP support and package management, VIM eventually also caught up. But i don't believe anything is out of the table, or against Vim tradition. Which features do you want to see built-in, specifically?

Multi threading, but yeah.

Original HN post here if you’re interested. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7279358

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by mathieudombrock »

wasabi991011 wrote: post #10
brcmthrowaway wrote: post #9

I'm using VIM - Vi IMproved 9.1. What am I missing? I'm kind of desperate to switch. Getting massive FOMO from colleagues using VS Code. But I really like using the keyboard to navigate. What should I do? Does NeoVim support Claude Code?

If it's just using the keyboard that's holding you back from VSCode, you'll be pleased to know it has plenty of its own shortcuts, as well as a "VIM navigation" mode you can turn on.

Vim mode in vscode is not even close to emulating a real neovim setup.

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by shmerl »

bheadmaster wrote: post #85
imjonse wrote: post #62

It probably goes against Vim tradition, culture and freedom to choose, but I wish they added even more built-in features (like Helix) that are currently implemented in competing and sometimes brittle plugins and have to be put together into also competing vim starter packs and distros of plugins and config files just to have a modern setup out of the box.

This is what happened with the Language Server Protocol. Prior to 0.9 (if I recall correctly), you had to install a plugin to be able to interface with LSP servers, and in 0.9 they integrated the support into NeoVim itself.

Would be nice to also have such support for DAP, though nvim-dap is doing a good job so far.

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by shmerl »

brcmthrowaway wrote: post #9

I'm using VIM - Vi IMproved 9.1. What am I missing? I'm kind of desperate to switch. Getting massive FOMO from colleagues using VS Code. But I really like using the keyboard to navigate. What should I do? Does NeoVim support Claude Code?

I switched from vim to neovim at the time when the former didn't support true color themes and limited colors annoyed me. neovim offered true color support in the terminal so I switched and stayed with neovim since.

One major difference is neovim allowing to use Lua for configuration and plugins. I find Lua to be neater than vimscript.

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by maleldil »

mathieudombrock wrote: post #95
wasabi991011 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's just using the keyboard that's holding you back from VSCode, you'll be pleased to know it has plenty of its own shortcuts, as well as a "VIM navigation" mode you can turn on.

Vim mode in vscode is not even close to emulating a real neovim setup.

OP specifically mentioned "using keyboard to navigate". If that's all you need, then VSCodeVim can get you pretty far.

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by nixpulvis »

My #1 issue with Neovim is the new ! Behavior. Anyone know how to make it toggle the alt terminal screen and just output to the primary screen like it does in Vim?

Re: Neovim 0.12.0

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Post by wilkystyle »

camgunz wrote: post #75
wilkystyle wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dot repeat is the wrong comparison. A closer one would be macros, but even then a good multiple cursors implementation is often faster, more intuitive, and requires less cognitive overhead. One of the better examples of the usefulness of multiple cursors is from Emacs Rocks (link goes to 0:23): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNa3axo40qM&t=23s

What do you when the things you want to change don't all fit on the screen at once?

At least in e.g. Emacs and sublime text, you can mark all occurrences throughout the entire file. Assuming the matches are similar enough that the same motions apply even if you can't see the cursor, you can perform those operations.

Otherwise, as a sibling comment said, incremental search/replace is your friend.

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