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Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Without even looking at the AI part, I have a single question: Did anybody investigate? That's it. Whether it's AI that flagged her, or a witness who saw her, or her IP address appeared on the logs. Did anybody bothered to ask her "where were you the morning of july 10th between 3 and 4pm. But that's not what happened, they saw the data and said "we got her". But this is the worst part of the story: > And after her o…

IANAL but AFAIK custodial interrogation triggers Miranda, lawyers, and those awful awful civil liberties we’re trying to get rid of.

Better just to apply Musk or Altman software to the problem and avoid it entirely.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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In the US there are no consequences for people in power failing to follow procedures, laws or regulations - except for being told to stop doing whatever illegal thing they're doing, and possibly getting sued way down the line, which gets paid by taxpayers.

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You get charged with something and if you want to have the trial right now, before you have any idea what's going on, then you can insist, which basically nobody does because it's pretty crazy to go in blind

Actually most criminal defense attorneys recommend not waiving your speedy trial rights. Yes, the defense goes in blind. But so does the prosecution, and they're the ones that have to make a case.

The usual result for defendants that don't waive their speedy trial rights is an acquittal if the case goes to trial (between 50-60%), which doesn't sound like a lot but prosecutors are expected to win >90% of their trials. Additionally, in many counties they don't have sufficient courtrooms to handle all the criminal trials within the speedy trial timeframe, so if the trial date comes and a courtroom is not available the case is dismissed with prejudice. Nonviolent misdeameanors are the lowest priority for a courtroom (and by that I mean even family law cases have priority over nonviolent misdos in most counties), so those cases are frequently dismissed a day or two before the trial date. Consequently, most prosecutors will offer better and better plea bargains as the trial date approaches.

This is even more true for murders, which is why murder suspects don't usually get charged for a year or two after the crime.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Without even looking at the AI part, I have a single question: Did anybody investigate? That's it. Whether it's AI that flagged her, or a witness who saw her, or her IP address appeared on the logs. Did anybody bothered to ask her "where were you the morning of july 10th between 3 and 4pm. But that's not what happened, they saw the data and said "we got her". But this is the worst part of the story: > And after her o…

The thing about the legal system is there's no incentive to investigate to find the truth.

The incentive is to prosecte and prove the charges.

Speaking from the experience of being falsely accused after calling 911 to stop a drunk woman from driving.

The narrative they "investigated" was so obviously false, bodycam evidence directly contradicted multiple key facts. Officials are interested only seeking to prove the case. Thankfully the jury came to the right verdict.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Used incorrectly will lead to errors. Only one small little problem --- there is no way to tell if you are using it "correctly". The only way to be sure is to not use it. Using it basically boils down to, "Do you feel lucky?". The Fargo police didn't get lucky in this case. And now the liability kicks in.

Some basic investigatory police work (the kind they did before AI) would have revealed the mistake before an innocent woman’s life was destroyed.

The article says that the Fargo police claimed to have done "additional investigative steps independent of AI". (Perhaps they're lying, or did a poor job because they thought the extra steps were a formality.)

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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You get charged with something and if you want to have the trial right now, before you have any idea what's going on, then you can insist, which basically nobody does because it's pretty crazy to go in blind Actually most criminal defense attorneys recommend not waiving your speedy trial rights. Yes, the defense goes in blind. But so does the prosecution, and they're the ones that have to make a case. The usual resul…

Apparently I set up a unit test for Cunningham's Law today.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Yes but a judge issued the warrant in the first place. Cops did not do a proper investigation and the judge green-lighted it. It is all on the JUDGE or possibly a magistrate who approved a faulty warrant. The judge failed the poor woman. FIRE him. Then sue Clearview for big bucks.

The judge likely issued the warrant based on the detective’s sworn testimony. In most cases, a judge does not have the ability or detailed knowledge to independently verify whether the detective completed all necessary checks. This situation likely resulted from either sloppy investigative work or an honest mistake: the detective believed her booking photo matched the individual captured on camera. Her booking photo…

There's a screenshot from a security camera with the _actual_ suspect in the article that was posted to HN last week.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/ai-error-...

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