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Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by pstuart »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #43
kleiba wrote: post #23

It would be nice if phones had a feature where you can define more than one pin, but only one is for your actual phone contents - the other ones leave you to a completely harmless but otherwise indistinguishable looking smartphone interface that contains no or only completely bogus data.

It would be nice if I didn't get beaten with a hose in a vain attempt to prove that I unlocked the "real" one.

I maintain that the series "24" back in the day did us all a great disservice by promoting the value of torture to "save the world".

I'm hard pressed to find any reason for any citizen to be compelled to share their secrets with the police because the police had "suspicions".

The 4th and 5th are paramount for a free society.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by josefritzishere »

jonex wrote: post #21

Feature request: Make it default behavior on phones that you can have multiple passwords, connected to different profiles. With no way to determine how many profiles a phone have. I'm sure there's some people here working on mobile operating systems, might be worth considering?

Genius.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by zie »

em-bee wrote: post #78
everdrive wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, which is why they need to start changing their behavior.

how? whatsapp, wechat, telegram, even signal, all require a phone to be used. if i didn't need any of those apps then sure, but unfortunately there is no way around these apps if i want to keep in touch with certain people that are important to me.

If you need to use these, set the history retention to like no time. That would help a lot. They could still get the contents from the person you are communicating with, but it would require more work on their part. Humans are generally fairly lazy. If you can get the people you communicate iwth to also turn off message retention, that would help. Then they could tell you talked with Tootie, but not what you talked about, at least from the device(s) themselves.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by Verdex »

hananova wrote: post #32
jonex wrote: post #21

Feature request: Make it default behavior on phones that you can have multiple passwords, connected to different profiles. With no way to determine how many profiles a phone have. I'm sure there's some people here working on mobile operating systems, might be worth considering?

"This profile doesn't have anything on it. Give us the password for the real profile." Or even worse, you did give them the real password, but because your phone supports the feature and your profile is kind of barren, they don't believe you. Now you are in a very bad lose-lose situation.

I suppose that you could have the phone listening in real time and generating profiles that are hidden and embarrassing but not illegal.

So when they ask for the real profile it shows in the next unlock a profile that makes it very clear you have a deeply embarrassing ASMR addiction.

It could cross reference your local laws to ensure to not spill the beans on something locally illegal.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by whatsupdog »

tyho wrote: post #3

Wow, what a free society! In the UK if you refuse to unlock your device you can be imprisoned indefinitely! In HK it's just one year!

In UK you can be imprisoned for liking a post on Facebook that is considered "hate speech".

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by whatsupdog »

iamnothere wrote: post #47
pavel_lishin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be nice if I didn't get beaten with a hose in a vain attempt to prove that I unlocked the "real" one.

If your country has this problem, you’re way past worrying about phones, and you need to be acquiring arms and training.

It's illegal to have any decently good arms in Canada.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by watwut »

deejaaymac wrote: post #67
idiotsecant wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're unsure of the difference between 5 and infinity?

5 years in prison can destroy your life easily, so yeah, what's the difference?

Easily something like 45 years of difference. It is really not necessary to lie, no matter how much you hate UK or Europe.

Re: Hong Kong police can now demand phone passwords under new security rules

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Post by dmitrygr »

eqvinox wrote: post #70
dmitrygr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, not disclosing a password is explicitly protected (5th amndmnt), SCOTUS has been clear. not so for biometrics, but so for PIN/passwd

> In the US, not disclosing a password is explicitly protected (5th amndmnt), That's great but of exactly zero help if you're trying to travel to the US and CBP (or ICE) are staring you down. Even if they don't gulag you, they can always just reject entry for any non-citizen (and these days even some citizens it seems.)

Any country can reject non-citizen entry, for any reason or no reason at all. In fact, part of a definition of a country is ability to practice control over its territory and who is and is not there. This necessarily includes border controls, which any country can decide to make as onerous as they please. No non-citizen of a country has any right to be present in it, except as permitted by its government, so any country if free to make it as hard as they wish to enter for non-citizens. This may not be a good idea, but control over a territory is literally part of the definition.
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