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LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

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Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

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I understand that dealing with complaints is annoying, but the response in the article was very unprofessional. Feel free to say what the change is, why it is there, and perhaps even address some of the concerns. But attacking users, even if it is a small segment of the population, does not paint The Document Foundation in a positive light.

The response is fine. Entitlement and, really, some of this crosses the line into bullying of the foundation and the maintainers, should be dealt with robustly. It will help to reset expectations around what's reasonable for the relationship of those developing LibreOffice with the community of users. People need to recognise that they get a huge amount of value out of LibreOffice, for which they aren't required to p…

I agree, what's the alternative, not only are they not allowed to ask for Donations, but now they are not allowed to complain about entitlement?

How ridiculous would that be, users that get stuff for free setting the rules on how they should receive the free stuff.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

#92
post #19

I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…

What drove me away from ever donating to Wikipedia again was that they asked me to put them in my will. For when I die. Absolutely disgusting. It reminds me of that one character from Glengarry Glen Ross.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

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post #92
post #19

I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…

What drove me away from ever donating to Wikipedia again was that they asked me to put them in my will. For when I die. Absolutely disgusting. It reminds me of that one character from Glengarry Glen Ross.

Why is that disgusting? That's an extremely common revenue stream for charities. I know some charities where the majority of their income is derived from wills.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

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post #19

I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…

I donated and don't receive any spam - you could perhaps try reviewing mail list settings / unsubcribe.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

#95
post #19

I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…

Ugh. The persistent nagging fundraising drives are probably the main reason I haven’t donated to Wikipedia even though I feel like I should.

One time I donated to a Red Cross appeal and over the next decade I’m certain they spent more than my original donation on spamming me with physical junk mail trying to extract more money from me. Never again.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

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post #19

I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…

The Deletionists drove me away from Wikipedia. Articles keep disappearing. It's a truly bizarre paradigm.

How do people notice that? I'm sometimes reading about that here, but in reality I never ran into an issue where I couldn't find anything any more or that I often re-visit the same article and would notice changes.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

#97
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What drove me away from ever donating to Wikipedia again was that they asked me to put them in my will. For when I die. Absolutely disgusting. It reminds me of that one character from Glengarry Glen Ross.

Why is that disgusting? That's an extremely common revenue stream for charities. I know some charities where the majority of their income is derived from wills.

It's a jarring, off-putting email to receive after making your first ever online donation.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

#98
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What drove me away from ever donating to Wikipedia again was that they asked me to put them in my will. For when I die. Absolutely disgusting. It reminds me of that one character from Glengarry Glen Ross.

Why is that disgusting? That's an extremely common revenue stream for charities. I know some charities where the majority of their income is derived from wills.

Consider the situation where someone who’s geriatric and potentially losing their mental faculties is getting hit with messages like that. Catch them at the wrong moment and they could well change their will, despite it not being what they would have wanted.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

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post #95
post #19

I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…

Ugh. The persistent nagging fundraising drives are probably the main reason I haven’t donated to Wikipedia even though I feel like I should. One time I donated to a Red Cross appeal and over the next decade I’m certain they spent more than my original donation on spamming me with physical junk mail trying to extract more money from me. Never again.

Same with political donations in the US. I gave to one campaign 10 years ago and I've been getting consistent requests for donations since. So now they all get marked as spam.

The first one came right after my donation.

I guess it works for them but it's crazy to me that all these orgs basically make you regret ever donating in the first place.

Ironically, though, I've donated to Wikipedia and they've never bothered me more.

Edit: I'm not implying they wouldn't bother you, though! I have no idea.

Re: LibreOffice and the art of overreacting

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It's one thing for you to put a banner up on your web page, which I will see when I visit you. I can just choose not to visit, if I don't want to see your message.

It's another thing for you to put a banner inside my computer, on the software I use to manage my own data: that ought to be a tool I use for my own purposes, and not a place for you to do what you want.

A tool which starts acting as an agent for its developers, not as an agent for me, is not a tool I want to continue using.

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