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How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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The part you quoted isn’t about TSA. TSA and ICE are not the same.

The quote literally contains the string "Transportation Security Administration" in it.

But the actor in the quote - the people who had to be at the airport to do the detaining - is ICE.

The TSA tip didn't have to come from someone physically sitting in the airport.

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You have a working OS! But you're logged out, all sensitive data is removed (safely overwritten with random data first), and you don't have the means to connect to the VPN or anything corporate (it was before zero-trust architecture), even at gunpoint. You can check your flight status, or look up a cafe nearby to eat, etc. But you have to go to a Google office in the destination city, identity yourself, and get the t…

I do understand why all these steps are required. And they are good. But how should zero-trust architecture solve that? You‘re still authenticated what the core problem is.

Zero-trust architecture just can work without a VPN, unless the network is blocked. Otherwise everything should be similar.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Airlines like Alaska Airlines make it very difficult to board a plane without a phone. It's still possible, but you need to prepare early and get your boarding pass printed at home, provided that you have a printer, apparently.

I remember when Alaska Airlines wasn't terrible. Any idea what happened? New CEO? Acquisition?

A lot of otherwise good companies have found that "Can't use phone" is almost equivalent to "Annoying non-profitable Customer"

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or, perhaps, they are wryly pushing back against the USA capturing a generic geographic term for themselves

To be fair though, that horse bolted a couple of centuries ago. What other name would you call it by? There's another "united states" on the same continent. The country to the immediate south is formally known as the "United Mexican States".

But the whole hemisphere is not "Mexico". USA and Canada are not also "North Mexico". Their harmless little reminder is more correct than any of the attempted arguments against it.

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You must be young. Many of us who are middle-aged or older clearly remember what the US was like before it created the present security apparatus, and "total collapse of the social safety net" is quite the opposite of what I would expect if we rolled it back. Wouldn't it be nice if we could use the billions we waste on this repressive jackboot-theater for an actual safety net instead? We could live in a less brutal s…

Last year I flew out of Costa Rica and London. They have the same security requirements except the removal of shoes as does getting on the Chunnel between London and Paris. Is there any country anywhere in the world that doesn’t have basically the same requirements? You seem to be glossing over all of the hijackings that happen back in the day.

What do hijackings have to do with a social safety net?

> They have the same security requirements

Yes, the US has significant influence over international aviation security regulations.

There are two reasons that no US airliner has been successfully hijacked in a quarter of a century, and neither has anything to do with TSA screening: first, cockpit doors are now locked during flight, and second, passengers now know that there is nothing to be gained by cooperating with hijackers and nothing to be lost by fighting back.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Ditch the phone. The liability, tracking and mental health problems created due to modern phones has made owning one unsustainable. Email works, at worst, voip providers exist. Do you need a map? Print one. Do you need directions? Ask someone. Does the restaurant only offer app or qr, ask someone, or go somewhere else.

I have never encountered a phone-related problem that could not be solved with:

1. A print out. 2. Asking someone. 3. Using your web browser on your computer. 4. Using some kind of voip if audio communication is needed.

Yes, it is not as convenient as the surveillance and privacy nightmares of today, but if your life is only about convenience, then send your money to the government, and let them just decide for you how much money you need, and you don't even have to think about that.

A minor inconvenience is a price well paid for freedom from surveillance and excellent mental health.

The ones who complain about inconvenience don't really care about privacy, democracy and freedom, so should not complain when these things are attacked.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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You basically can for WIC, but that's about it. Although the other big one is public schooling is also almost always entitled to everyone at quite high cost (despite poor performance per dollar).

Note that the performance / dollar is much worse for immigrants than for citizens. You still have to pay for things like social security, etc, but you don't get to collect those benefits. Before someone says "but illegal immigrants don't those taxes!", note that they actually do: If not, then their employer is engaged in tax fraud, which is much easier to prove and prosecute than trying to track down and check the im…

The lifetime public fiscal impact by some measures of an illegal immigrant is $-60k [].

You're overlooking a few things like the fact it's estimated over half of illegal immigrant households have a US citizen child and then they start drawing welfare in the child's name on account of the fact the parents did not obtain legal immigration levels of financial independence before immigrating. Also on account that some are legally able to claim EITC in tax filing, some other similar benefit factors, as well as the fact undocumented immigrant use hospital ERs and then have no documented solvent individual to bill to (their employers also less likely to provide health insurance so they end up in ER instead of regular doctor). When you put it all together the annual public benefit is close to break even but over the period of decades counts up in the tens of thousands in the negative.

I'm generally for open immigration but I'd agree that when you consider the totality things aren't set up yet to make sure enough benefits they get are shit-canned to make sure it's at least break even. Shit-canning all the benefits that pull them below zero is definitely a less orwellian way of breaking even than the ICE/CBP apparatus, I will give it that.

[] https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_i...

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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or, perhaps, they are wryly pushing back against the USA capturing a generic geographic term for themselves

The level of arrogance some western-hemisphere Spanish speakers have, trying to tell foreigners that the name they use for their own country in their own native language is wrong , demanding that they translate the Spanish name and use that instead, is so absurdly entitled that it's just... hilarious.

It's so wierd to perceive that as arrogance. Actually "wierd" is being too nice.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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You just reinvented iCloud - welcome to 2011.

Does iCloud not blast you with a bunch of "2FA" hassles the way Google does? That passwords are no longer complete account credentials makes this approach a non-starter, unless you want to come up with some protocol with a trusted person who stays home (with access to your account) and can perform those verification steps for you. Even so I would still be worried about the nonstandard behavior of activating a new dev…

Passkeys are stored in your Apple Keychain. I don’t think you have to go through 2FA if you use a Passkey with Google.

I can throw my iPhone in the ocean, go to the nearest cell phone store/Apple Store and log into my Apple account and you won’t be able to tell the difference between my old phone and new phone - all apps, data, icon positions, passwords, photos, settings, bookmarks, history, messages etc will be restored

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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The usual fare: log out, disable biometrics, use long pins and passwords, power off. Prefer a burner device, or clean your device and restore when you arrive. I remember how Google's internal guidelines for travel circa 2011 required to remove any material under NDA from your laptop when traveling to China or Russia; you had to restore it over the VPN after a safe arrival. Funny that now the same precautions apply to…

Do you need to disable biometrics if you simply reboot? my Pixel 10 Pro XL wont let me in without pin after reboot. Biometrics wont work until that first unlock.
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