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Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by mananaysiempre »

spikej wrote: post #89

Opera was my secret weapon back in the day: if it worked in Opera, it would be guaranteed to work in Chrome, IE and Firefox. It significantly reduced the browser quirks stuff I'd have to dig into. Dragonfly was top notch also: one of the best bits was ability to outline all the elements on the page. There were other features too that weren't (still aren't) in the other browser dev tools

Huh? If it worked in Opera, it absolutely wasn’t guaranteed to work in IE < 9 (conservatively; honestly probably every pre-Edge IE). At one point Opera had a more faithful CSS (2) implementation than even Firefox. And nothing guaranteed it worked in IE except checking in IE.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by Tomis02 »

rplnt wrote: post #73
AlienRobot wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opera is called Vivaldi now.

It's a cool idea, but major bugs are being introduced and then ignored. Virtually unusable and I would not recommend it.

I literally can't function on the web without Vivaldi, for me it's the only usable desktop browser. What problems have you encountered?

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by Tomis02 »

spikewall wrote: post #49
AlienRobot wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opera is called Vivaldi now.

Which is a chrome reskin too.

Reskin isn't quite right. Vivaldi offers a ton of amazing features that Chrome would never dream of having. For example, tab tiling is excellent and criminally underused.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by TheAmazingRace »

tombert wrote: post #82

I am sure that there are reasons that they cannot easily do this, but I really wish that they'd open source their Presto browser engine now that they've moved to Chromium anyway. I always liked the way that classic Opera made web pages look. Maybe it's just rose tinted glasses but it felt like Opera had a nice smoothness to it, almost like a PDF or something. If they FOSS'd their old engine, conceivably someone could…

I wholeheartedly agree. Presto was very lightweight and, to my knowledge, exceptionally standards compliant as well.

I think the last version of the Presto engine did have a source code leak, but naturally it's not a great idea to work on it unless you want to catch a lawsuit.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by LtWorf »

soperj wrote: post #86
afavour wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP's point is that sending your browsing data to a server, be it American or Chinese, isn't "no bs". I see this recurrent feeling on HN that because the US does bad things we shouldn't care about other countries doing the same. I think we should care about all of them!

The feeling is that "no one" cares about it being sent to American servers, why should they suddenly care about it going to Chinese servers just because they're Chinese.

Not only that, USA is far more likely to send someone to kill you than china is. So between the 2 I'll take china (I'd prefer my data to not be sent to any foreign power).

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by tombert »

TheAmazingRace wrote: post #96
tombert wrote: post #82

I am sure that there are reasons that they cannot easily do this, but I really wish that they'd open source their Presto browser engine now that they've moved to Chromium anyway. I always liked the way that classic Opera made web pages look. Maybe it's just rose tinted glasses but it felt like Opera had a nice smoothness to it, almost like a PDF or something. If they FOSS'd their old engine, conceivably someone could…

I wholeheartedly agree. Presto was very lightweight and, to my knowledge, exceptionally standards compliant as well. I think the last version of the Presto engine did have a source code leak, but naturally it's not a great idea to work on it unless you want to catch a lawsuit.

Yeah, if the Opera corporation gave a blessing to use the leaked code then that would be great; I'm not going to look at it until I know for sure I'm not going to be sued.

It's too bad, I hate that we basically only have two browsing engines that people take seriously: Blink/Chromium and Safari for iOS. Firefox is there but it lags pretty far behind those two. Having a little more competition in this space could be good.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by Bad_CRC »

al_borland wrote: post #31

I have fond memories of Opera. When I migrated off of it to Phoenix, I had a really hard time adjusting to not having mouse gestures. I didn’t know how anyone lived without them. By the time extensions came around to mimic Opera’s mouse gestures on other browsers, I could never get used to actually using them again. I was sad to see Opera become just another incarnation of Chrome.

Mouse gestures, download manager, pop-up blocker, TABS in windows 98.

Ages ahead of other browsers.

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