We expected no less from GOS project.
systemd which was already in hot water over because the problems it creates over service, this was the last drop to get folks dropping systemct altogether.
GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
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Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#92I know it's gonna be a very unpopular opinion. I do like, appreciate, respect & admire that they are ready to die on a hill. I just don't think it's the right hill. I do not have an issue with the legality of it. Rather I think age verification is actually not bad. Sure i see the potential danger. But there is potential benefits, that'd counter the danger, by a lot. In different times, i might have argued differently…
GOS is not going to compromise on user privacy and security. This is not a technical problem, it is a social one where parents refuse to do what they should have done from the start. The internet is not for kids. Presuming users to be guilty until proven innocent is unacceptable. Making mechanisms to obtain user data, even if it is completely and perfectly functional and achieves what it sets out to do, risks malicious parties obtaining that information. The only way to win the game is not to play, to not ever provide that data, and children shouldnt be playing the gane in the first place.
Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#93Will a record be kept associating a device to a person through the verification system?
What's next, browsers sending this to $website every time you need to post a comment on the web.
Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well correct me if I'm wrong but dumb laws are usually not written by people who know much shit about fuck. So it's entirely possible they wouldn't.
You sound like a teenager fighting his parents. "Technically you didn't say WHICH bed I had to be in by midnight!!!!! I was in A bed, I followed the rules!!!!" Society (mostly) works because we all agree that laws have intents. The wording is crafted as best as possible, and for the rest we have judges to shutdown lawyers trying to be a moffkalast smart asses.
Call it what you want, I still think that if the, ahem, intent, of a law is to reduce personal freedoms then it should be protested in as many annoying ways as possible. Should at least get some publicity even if it gets struck down.
Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#95Good on them. Devices shouldn't collect any extraneous data by default other than that needed to fulfill a feature a user consciously selects, and that includes this stupid age verification spyware regimes are pushing. An adult had to pay for the ISP connection; that's the extent of age verification needed. We shouldn't be demanding adults expose their identities to for-profit entities and surveillance states, so muc…
> An adult had to pay for the ISP connection In many countries, it is still possible to buy a prepaid SIM without any ID.
And if such a country wants to keep kids off of the unrestricted internet they should just ban that practice.
Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones. If someone wants to introduce an age-verification-ca-module, fine, but not make it core. Yes I understand systemd is not the kernel, but its ubiquitous enough. That just says to every country around the world; Windows, Mac, and even Linux is on board too, let's make it law also! I dunno, I always ex…
> Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones. 1) It's legally required to sell computers with that OS in certain jurisdictions 2) I presume there is at least one person actually selling said 3) The feature is so trivially easy to bypass that it presents no reasonable privacy threat at this time (IIRC, it's just a numeric field with no validat…
Lets up the ante.
After seeing how easily California bent OS developers (commerical and open source) to comply with their local laws, Canada decides they will go one further. They aren't happy with a simple date field that can be easily fudged. So they pass a law that requires all OS's to continually scan the biometrics of users using the OS. ie. Camera if it has one, fingerprint reader once an hour, voice analysis, etc.
They also refuse to allow computers to be sold in their country unless OS developers comply with their law.
Do you think you'll see such enthusiam to comply? Or will the line be drawn at some point?
Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#97I wonder how things like computers at the library will work. This whole thing is just so stupid and intrusive. I can't imagine anyone will benefit from this except advertisers, doxxers and Big Brother.
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#98Good on them. Devices shouldn't collect any extraneous data by default other than that needed to fulfill a feature a user consciously selects, and that includes this stupid age verification spyware regimes are pushing. An adult had to pay for the ISP connection; that's the extent of age verification needed. We shouldn't be demanding adults expose their identities to for-profit entities and surveillance states, so muc…
> An adult had to pay for the ISP connection In many countries, it is still possible to buy a prepaid SIM without any ID.
Fewer and fewer countries. I think none of the countries I've been too where I've purchased a SIM without ID allow that anymore. It is required to try to limit purchase by scam call centers and to enable phone number portability.
Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#99Good on them. Devices shouldn't collect any extraneous data by default other than that needed to fulfill a feature a user consciously selects, and that includes this stupid age verification spyware regimes are pushing. An adult had to pay for the ISP connection; that's the extent of age verification needed. We shouldn't be demanding adults expose their identities to for-profit entities and surveillance states, so muc…
> An adult had to pay for the ISP connection Ever heard of free wifi?
I have! And an adult still has to pay the connection charges to offer that free wi-fi. Or provide the funds for a kid to buy a device to connect to said free wi-fi.
You can go down the rabbit hole as far as you like, but it's to no avail. At some point, an adult has to consciously enable the child to connect to the internet. Full stop.
Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system
#100Good on them. Devices shouldn't collect any extraneous data by default other than that needed to fulfill a feature a user consciously selects, and that includes this stupid age verification spyware regimes are pushing. An adult had to pay for the ISP connection; that's the extent of age verification needed. We shouldn't be demanding adults expose their identities to for-profit entities and surveillance states, so muc…
Apps requesting an age is not extraneous and there are many legal and safety reasons why an app may collect this information. If the operating system doesn't do it you run into the cookie banner situation where every individual site has to implement a dialog box asking the user instead of there being a standardized way to do it.
Except the cookie banners are also optional, unless you're using third-party services to collect that data. Don't blame the cookie banner, blame the dozens or hundreds of "partners" that site is using to "process" your data, blame the site owner for building such a travesty of a page that they have so many "partners" in the mix harvesting extraneous info unnecessary for basic functionality instead of building a better, cleaner, leaner, targeted service.