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Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#91
I don't know who even routes to archive.* anymore.

NextDNS doesn't route to .is or .ph or .fo or .today anymore.

My ISP doesn't route to .is, but it routes to the others. Using my ISP's DNS means receiving tons of spam though.

Cloudflare apparently doesn't reliably route to them either, and I wouldn't want to use it even if it did.

UPDATE: I see that https://dns.adguard-dns.com/dns-query still routes to all of them, so guess I will use it! I have no conflict of interest.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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post #90

I think the cult of personality always backfires, pun intended. Our company biggest product was a celebrity making fun commercials for the actual product. Works wonders. Personally I don't have a problem with him, I enjoyed his movies in the past. But not everybody does. Internally, the company tried to push this cult so deeply that it was part of the hiring process, part of the onboarding, even obscured some of the…

I've been that 20-something myself. I was working as a programmer at some high flying merchant bank in London in the 90's and at the pub with my workmates one night I started tearing strips off of the IT director because he was comically incompetent. Everyone was kicking me under the table because unbeknownst to me his close friend was at the table taking in my rant. Everyone agreed that I was toast and bought me dri…

I don’t often literally LOL here.

Bravo.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#94
Since the article is behind a paywall, the slack message she wrote (after the CEO dialed in from his NBA team’s HQ to speak about a company-wide layoff plan that also included demotions for many engineers) is this:

“ What’s up Outragers, just dialing in from my NBA team’s headquarters to yell at the people whose careers I’ve just pummeled.”

Seems like a fair statement to make, and she didn’t call him a jerk directly. She didn’t deserve to be fired, but I’ll be surprised if she has any actual recourse.

Frankly, if the CEO is the leader he’s pretending to be, he’d apologize to her and offer her the job back with a signing bonus.

It’s sad how little respect most of these guys have for the engineers that enable them to walk into their country clubs and call themselves “tech CEOs”.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#95
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or empathy (Musk) or introspection (Andreessen). None of those things are necessary and could prove to be detriment when you are grinding in the bitmines.

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But effectively, that means no empathy. Both Musk and you (explaining Musk) have set it up in such an extreme way that it makes it appear as if empathy is bad and there’s really nothing you should do.

Short of lighting yourself on fire, you could (1) invite them to use an unused space to sleep, (2) donate your time, money, food, water or other goods, (3) advocate for better solutions on a local, state or nation level, or (4) at least not foment hatred against them.

There is a wide variety of empathetic actions that one could do other than burning yourself or nothing. This directly applies to every social, political or economic issue that Musk has tangled with, but instead he sets it up to convince himself and others that actually there’s nothing he can do and empathy is for losers.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#96
post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

Wouldn't she have the excuse of truth as defense?

The company isn’t suing her for defamation.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No using the legal process if you think your company is violating the law is also part of "stand up for yourself". If a rich guy can't take some minor criticism maybe he's the whiner.

This assumes that you think people operate on principles. As the years go on, it feels that people in the top seem to mostly operate on money. The CEO has money and the power to fire that person if the employee is disliked. Maybe that shouldn't be a thing, maybe it should be illegal, but they'll find a way around it. Just because they can means that they will. I wish it wasn't like that but that's how I see things ar…

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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#98
post #90

I think the cult of personality always backfires, pun intended. Our company biggest product was a celebrity making fun commercials for the actual product. Works wonders. Personally I don't have a problem with him, I enjoyed his movies in the past. But not everybody does. Internally, the company tried to push this cult so deeply that it was part of the hiring process, part of the onboarding, even obscured some of the…

I've been that 20-something myself. I was working as a programmer at some high flying merchant bank in London in the 90's and at the pub with my workmates one night I started tearing strips off of the IT director because he was comically incompetent. Everyone was kicking me under the table because unbeknownst to me his close friend was at the table taking in my rant. Everyone agreed that I was toast and bought me dri…

Was his close friend the MD or something? I’m curious how this wound up playing out exactly backward from how everyone expected it would.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#99

I don't know who even routes to archive.* anymore. NextDNS doesn't route to .is or .ph or .fo or .today anymore. My ISP doesn't route to .is, but it routes to the others. Using my ISP's DNS means receiving tons of spam though. Cloudflare apparently doesn't reliably route to them either, and I wouldn't want to use it even if it did. UPDATE: I see that https://dns.adguard-dns.com/dns-query still routes to all of them,…

Cloudflare does, just not on their ad blocker resolver. There was another post on this just today somewhere on here

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

#100

There’s no reason a company should put up with enemies within. In rare instances a disgruntled employee might be able to make a positive contribution. In most cases, even if the employee has valid reasons, by the time they are disgruntled there’s no coming back. It’s best for everyone to move on.

Agreed. I have held similar opinions of leadership at many of my jobs.

If you are so burned out that you can’t help but vent publicly, it’s time to go. It’s just not healthy for you.

But of course leadership is going to take care of that for you because it’s not healthy for the company either to have open dissent. And most of us are far easier to replace than a CEO

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